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I hear gameguard isn't all it's cracked up to be, either. How widespread is cheating on BB now? I have been gone a long time.

right now its very secure no1 can bypass it now hahah!!

But I guess the problems still there, hacked/duped weapons are now in circulation. Too late ST! You have to start from the beginning, and keep at it!

yep i warned them too if they fix everything i say they be ok but o no its mainly because u.s. has to talk to jp and maybe the only way to speed it up is hack jp.. but its ll stupid they need to restructure on psu.

Well, from what we know they are. In Japan only, RF online is premoted by ST/Sega. This strongly hints (or so I have been told) that there will be no link between JP and EU/US PSU. If thats the case, less communication is needed and more effective descisions will be able to be made. Plus its a new and more secure game engine from the start!

Well, one would hope. And it's true, a totally new game would be better than just patching PSO yet again. But something tells me that they're gonna screw up PSU's security too... and even if they didn't, nothing is unhackable. I remember getting quite tired of hearing "LOL U CNT HAX ON BB SO STFU" when I was trying in vain to get people to realize it would turn out no better than GC is. You watch, there'll be other crap happening on BB before the year is out, no question. >_>

I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm saying people should've wised up about BB a while ago.

Of course, no one claims any online game (let alone MMO) especially when produced by ST will be 100% secure. That's impossible. But, I think it will be a lot more secure than what we have in DC/XB/GC/BB at the moment.

Perhaps removing communication between Japan and Europe is a good thing. Japanese players are dedicated to the game, they don't hack through choice. Broomop has already threatened to hack Japan, it might wake up ST true, but it might lead to an honest community turning sour. Then ST would give up completely. PSO JP is their baby.

Concerning security, the PS2 is very difficult to crash so that is out of the question. PC players will be the dangerous ones of course as always. I'm pretty sure the two will be able to link up so it's going to be rough no matter what happens.

New game, new security measures, but some people at least can say "I will play legit no matter what." The fact that there are so few of these people are why ST gave up. People who make "backup weapons" and people who exploit bugs in any way are the reason ST gave up on us all. Like I said, I can think of two people who I have faith in, I can think of only one player ST likely have faith in and he's posted here.

If you want ST to do something about it then start off by showing them you're willing to play legit. Otherwise what's the point in making security when the entire community are more dedicated to finding ways to hack the game then just play it?

colohue Wrote:Then ST would give up completely.

colohue Wrote:the reason ST gave up on us all.

^ make up your mind on what the current state of affairs are before you put forward an arguement.

ST haven't given up, that's why BB was released and why PSU will be soon. If anything, ST should be worried about us giving up on them.

There will always be people who decide to hack, they cannot rely on every players good will. This point clearly made, they have to enforce security, not just implement it in-case people want to use it.

colohue Wrote:but it might lead to an honest community turning sour.

^ The fact the community already is sour is because ST do nothing about the hackers. It is true that if no one tried to hack in the first place, no one would need to rely on ST. But it's STs game, they have no option but to be there to help us. If they fail, they deserve the 'honest community' turning sour, because it's what they have set for themselves by not doing their job.

There is an AR released for PS2, so I doubt it will be any more secure since the game may be re-coded before you even see the title screen. I'm not saying it will be less or more secure than PSU PC, only that we can't yet decide which will be more safe effectively. Especially if PC and PS2 are linked (like in FFXI).

If ST want a more devoted community, they should show us they deserve one. At the moment, they dont. They have to try harder, much harder.

Hey broomop, why dont you learn how to spell and then learn how to play the game legitly.

I shall play legit! I started out hacked, but then learned what the difference is. the real problem with hacking is that players who just got the game and dont know anything get hacked stuff handed to them. Its force fed to everyone and then they can't play winthout dooing 2000 damage at LV. 5. If you want to play hacked, fine. I wont support you or even talk to you, but just leave the noobs alone, let them make their own choices. If they want to be hacked, they will be hacked, if they want to be legit, they will be legit.

And xbox is not as screwed as you all seem to think. Only Appatite is truly hacked. There are hidden legit comunities in... other places...

I have made a list of the different classifications of player:
They are organized from those worthy of respect to those who should not be spoken to.

Dav-10 -- The hardest to achieve, a Dav-10 player will not use items recieved from other players. They will not stack, dupe, hack, or exploit the game.
Appatite Legit -- What can you say. They try, but they dont really know how to do what they are trying to do. They will usually stack, and they may use duped weapons, they will not use items with obviously hacked stats.
Stackers (Type 1) -- These players stack, but will not use hacked or duped items.
Dupers (Type 1) -- These players stack, and use duped items, not hacked items.
Dupers (Type 2) -- These players do not stack, but use hacked or duped items.
Stackers (Type 2) -- These players will stack, and use hacked or duped items.
(These next two are a result of many retarded indivduals saying that they are not "hackers" because they do not make hacked items.)
Hackee -- (Derived from the "employee" and "employer" relationship.) Hackee's use hacked items. They do not make them and are generally stupid teenagers. AVOID AT ALL TIMES
Hacker -- Makes the hacked item that are then used by hackee's. They are generally moronic teenagers that (Following data has been blocked.) AVOID AT ALL COSTS, TO NOT SPEAK TO OR INTERACT WITH HACKERS AT ANY TIME.

Hope this makes you sound smart when you call someone out for being a looser!