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Olga flow related item thread - blair fc uk - 31-07-2004
i dont get it why is everyone getting mad over nothing is someone said they found something, good for them if you dont belive them dont. no need to hack the game and toss boring facts at people!
Olga flow related item thread - Ivan - 31-07-2004
In english please?
Olga flow related item thread - Omar - 31-07-2004
RiskBreaker Wrote:As far as the post goes, I absolutely beleive the drop rates are at 0% on Olga Flow. I do also know that other things can affect the drop rate of an item. There could be a once every 100 kills type situation. Since everyone usually goes to EP1 to exp and level, I doubt many people have beat Olga flow 100 times over. But if he beat it 83 times on seabed, maybe he DID get something. You can't assume that EVERYTHING is based off a drop chart, I know alot of games that throw little loops in there.People have tested it at other sites by doing loads of seabed runs and the honest ones never found a thing.
We can assume that the game data is correct as the person who gave us this information knows what can affect drops and has already checked it all. The only way for it to be editted would be through a new online quest or a new version of the game (like PSO Plus).
Olga flow related item thread - mimas - 30-08-2004
Hm. Omar, let me point something out. The game data is not necessarily correct, I mean the drop-anything rate for a boss is usually 100% but I've had more than my share of runs where the Sil Dragon completely fails to drop anything...
On an Olga Flow-related side note, I can also claim to have found the Parasitic Gene: Flow legitimately, twice... Furthermore, a friend of mine (sadly corrupted) saw the Parasitic Gene: Flow drop, with his own eyes... He claims another guy picked up the gene and used it, I think this other guy was called Oso but I can't remember a three-week-old PSO mail in such detail that I can quote names to the letter.
Olga flow related item thread - Hrith - 30-08-2004
I'm gonna teach you something very important that you should never forget in your life, Mimas: "when you don't know, don't pretend, and shut up". Like a friend of mine says, you regret your speech, but never your silence.
The drop rate of bosses in Ultimate is not 100%, it's 70%.
Dark Falz and Olga Flow are NOT programmed the same way, and their drop rate is 0% offline, and currently does not exist online, this applies to PSO+ by the way.
So our best bet is that ST is gonna release a quest to activate the drop, and that would be exclusively online. But it is more likely that PG:F and Red Ring will never be released, like Double Cannon on Dreamcast, and such...
The game data is infallible, duh... it is the data of the very game you're playing, how can it have mistakes ? my guess is you know very little about programming...
If you want to rely on more famous PSO decompilers, Sounomi, heyf00l and Barubary refuted all legit PG:F and Red Rings.
Barubary even explained how they were hacked in, but I'm not allowed to discuss this here.
And by the way, sorry for sounding haughty, aggressive and all that, I always do, get over it.
Olga flow related item thread - mimas - 30-08-2004
Kefka Wrote:The drop rate of bosses in Ultimate is not 100%, it's 70%.I'm not altogether sure I was limiting my speech to Ultimate. I was generalising, though the bit with the Sil Dragon WAS purely Ultimate stuff. Allow me to explain, therefore, that I've encountered bosses on ALL FOUR DIFFICULTIES that have failed to cough anyhing up at all.
Quote:Sounomi, heyf00l and Barubary refuted all legit PG:F and Red Rings.Since when???
If you stick an idea in their heads, my friend, and try to change it later, they won't listen.
Believe what you want to believe, but I found the Parasitic Gene: Flow twice, and you can't disprove that.
Quote:The game data is infallibleHow the heck is this true when we also know that nothing is perfect...?
Nothing, my friend, is infallible. Get over it.
Olga flow related item thread - Omar - 30-08-2004
mimas Wrote:I'm not altogether sure I was limiting my speech to Ultimate. I was generalising, though the bit with the Sil Dragon WAS purely Ultimate stuff. Allow me to explain, therefore, that I've encountered bosses on ALL FOUR DIFFICULTIES that have failed to cough anyhing up at all.Have you actually seen the drop anything rates for bosses? Or are you going on what you have just "heard"?
You clearly just said that Sil Dragon hasn't dropped anything sometimes despite all bosses usually having a 100% drop anything rate.
mimas Wrote:Since when???Nobody sticks ideas in the heads of those three =/ As all three have studied the game data in huge depth without input from each other and all come to the same conclusion, I think it is safe to say that their information is more accurate than your's.
If you stick an idea in their heads, my friend, and try to change it later, they won't listen.
mimas Wrote:How the heck is this true when we also know that nothing is perfect...?I think you may have misunderstood what Kefka was saying.
Nothing, my friend, is infallible. Get over it.
Once you have seen all the rules for something, you can be certain that nothing can occur outside of those rules, without them being altered (which is impossible in this case without hacking or a new quest/game disc being released).
If the game data says nothing about an item appearing in the wall with no enemies/boxes around, then it will never happen (unless you modify the game data in some way). As the game data says nothing about olga flow dropping an item (or says that the chance of it happening is 0 to be more accurate) it won't happen. Because we know the game data says this, it makes such statements as your's sound like blatant lies as what you are saying is impossible without modifying your game disc.
mimas Wrote:Believe what you want to believe, but I found the Parasitic Gene: Flow twice, and you can't disprove that.In a sense, he already has by stating what the game data says. You on the other hand cannot prove to anyone here that you have found the gene flow. The only "proof" you can offer is that "nothing is perfect" so the game data must just be inaccurate in your case.
The game data told Barubary that the Sealed J-Sword was unsealed after a set number of kills. There is video evidence of this as well as confirmations by reputable pso players.
The game data told anyone who has looked at it that the Falz and Olga drops can never happen (without a new quest or game disc). There is no video evidence to say otherwise and no reputable players have ever got anything from either boss. There are only claims made by people on message boards.
Olga flow related item thread - mimas - 30-08-2004
Guys... just drop the subject now. I feel my statement has been flogged to death as supposed heresy... I found it, you don't believe me. That's all there is to it, so why prolong this sub-discussion?
Omar, man, you turned this into what is basically a denial of 1) metaphors (as I was trying to use with the ideas-and-the-heads stuff) and 2) what is essentially true. You're correct, no video proof, partly because I don't have a video camera and partly because everybody else seemed to get it from a random drop.
No reputable player has found it, true, possibly because nobody who has found it has a reputation to speak of.
Why the heck does everything have to get denied if it is out of the ordinary?
Olga flow related item thread - Ivan - 30-08-2004
Clearly I don't understand what the hell you just said. And I doubt anyone here does...the subject IS about olga flow related items, so there is no reason to drop the subject because noone is off topic. However just so you know, video importers also work. This subject is being prolonged because nobody likes a liar. All you're saying is that you found 2 parasitic gene flows. You have no proof/evidence. Nor are you even giving us a story. You obviously think we're just going to listen to you?
Omar gave a damn fine example right there. The game told barubary that the Sealed J Sword DOES indeed unseal when many people believed it didn't. And with all the video evidence (There's 3 of them if not more) the game was indeed telling the truth. Games are not people. They don't make mistakes being read or evaluating information or the creators made in error. And in this case that's quite impossible to relate it to. So if the game was right about the Sealed J...why would it be wrong about something quite similiar?
Olga flow related item thread - GOLDIE - 30-08-2004
No more TJS mentionings please...With video evidence from going down the teleporter killing olga and getting the PGF only then will I beleve.