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Hackers, a definition - Anti Hacker - 11-01-2006

Ugh, how many times do I have to explain this. Cheating makes you illigit, not all hacking is cheating ergo anti codes do not make you non-legit in any way. I back up to protect against corruption/FSOD, and I consider myself as legit as anyone else.

Technically as you say back up would not be necessarry if it weren't for hacking and certain glitches. But, they do exist and so it is acceptable. If you found an item and lost it to a hacker, you shouldn't have lost the item and there for I think it is fine to 'anti-hack' your item back into the game, be that by previous duping or bank-modding.

The problem comes when someone loses an item due to their own lack of thought. If you say, leave something on the floor by accident that is purely your own fault and could have happened even without getting hacked/glitched and in that instance you do not have the right to replace your item.

As for Quasi legit, in my eyes your legit, or a cheater. I have to draw a destinction somewhere and the point just above is pretty much it for me. peoples views will vary. On my forum a poll has been held and still every vote has classified back up as legit. After all, you may as well call it thinking ahead. You don't have to do it, but if you do, well, it sure helps.

You can make an analogy of anything, I could liken a corruption/glitch to an upcoming exam. You dont have to prepare for it, but those who do prepare should not be frowned upon by others. In fact, more people should learn to do the same.

However, if you dupe to trade so you can keep the same weapon as well as gaining another, that is not legit and is also un-ehtical. As well as forcing someone un-knowingly into playing non-legit you also gain something you shouldn't have gained.

The way I see it, you have a kind of PSO legit karma if you will. As long as I give myself less than or equal to what I had before a corruption it's balanced. But give yourself more than you should have, or give yourself something you never had anything like before, even if it keeps in-reach of the balance (say creating yourself a level 60 ranger after your level 80 hunter corrupted. Sure, its in balance because its less than you had before but its so different it is not comparable) then you destroy your legitimacy and must start over unless you want to be called a cheater.

Just keep the balance and try to keep the online community as stable as possible, at the end of the day only you yourself can judge in your own mind if you think you are legit or not. Just dont spoil the game for others online!

It is just a game, but it still takes up real time and unless you want that time wasted when you could be doing other things in real life, be prepared. Back up, that's my advice.

Hackers, a definition - whiteninja - 11-01-2006

Anti Hacker Wrote:The problem comes when someone loses an item due to their own lack of thought. If you say, leave something on the floor by accident that is purely your own fault and could have happened even without getting hacked/glitched and in that instance you do not have the right to replace your item.
*jumps up and down* That'd be me! Big Grin

22 hours straight for the 9000M (plus about 28 other random hours).... reobtained after less than 5 runs.
50/0/30/0 Spread Needle... reobtained with no percents after about 15 full Ruins runs (with several EN4's to go with it).
35/25/0/0 Frozen Shooter... 2 Torrs, still haven't found it though.

All because I pulled the wrong cord... Really though, getting the 9000M again so fast was just great revenge on those Crimson ASSassins... and getting the Spread Needle again was great fun and EXP, despite the fact that my new one sucks in comparison... and everyone was telling me just to use the dupes. Never. Tongue

Hackers, a definition - A.S. - 12-01-2006

wat Wrote:I personally do not consiter the people who make backups of their weapons "hackers" "AR Users" or "Script Kiddies," in fact I am ok with most cheating, as long as it doesn't affect the other players - if you have a Dark Bridge it is only hurting you, it doesn't hurt other players. If you want to screw up your own game go right ahead, just leave mine alone

wat Wrote:People who dupe for "back-up" I consider to be Quasi-Legit, I've lot really rare items due to FSOD and not whinged about it, but then again, I'm 21, and just play it as a game, and realise a weapon is just a bit of coding.

I think people who dupe for this should be classified as Quasi-Legit, as I do not consider myself the same as them, it's degrading myself in essence, that's like saying I have total respect for artists when I copy a CD, I never state that, though I will never copy a CD of a artist I really admire, such as Bon Jovi, so I consider people who never burn a CD better than me, (even though there are loopholes that make it legal, I don't make out that I'm bigger than I am or anything).

Also, what about people who use anti-FSOD codes on AR, are they still hackers and less respectful than a legit, if d*ck-wads didn't FSOD, there would be no need for anti-codes, by definition, these people would fall into the legit catagory, because they're protecting themselves, (as duping weapons for "back-up"), because some people don't respect others onling gaming enjoyment.

You can just quote topics in a new thread instead bumping.

Hackers, a definition - Anti Hacker - 15-01-2006

Well this is a sticky A.S. so I think it's allowed. Or it would be closed Tongue

Hackers, a definition - Scott Bull - 20-01-2006

This is IE Vs NN Vs FF all over again, lol.

Though Anti thinks the same way as I do, as long as they keep out of my hair, I will keep out of theirs.

Hackers, a definition - Anti Hacker - 20-01-2006

Scott Bull Wrote:This is IE Vs NN Vs FF all over again, lol.

Though Anti thinks the same way as I do, as long as they keep out of my hair, I will keep out of theirs.

I think in the same way as you to a limited extent. I do not believe interfering with hackers/illigit players gaming experiences will solve anything. But I come from a different angle, I believe only in legit and non legit players and nothing in-between. As a result, though, my arguement suffers from the definition of the dividing line that separates the two types of player. I have outlined where I think it lies. Not all would agree...

Hackers, a definition - Scott Bull - 31-01-2006

Exactly, the definitions of both terms is down to interpretation, and many people who ain't legit who wish they were, will try to justify it with lame comebacks, and excuses to the 1984/1994DPA, even though most of it would not be down to the DPA, but the CPA as well.

They stay out of my way and let me enjoy the game as it should be, and they can dupe and AR and FSOD each other until doomsday, and I will be sitting back laughing my truely legit rear-end off at their rear-ends, or faces, whichever end they usually speak out of, (that's the best thing about them to plastic surgeons, their a*ses and faces are inter-changeable).

Hackers, a definition - Anti Hacker - 28-02-2006

I have known some pretty cool hackers, theyre not all so bad. We had some good members here who discovered lots of things about the game through hacking but they mostly all left because people started slating them, just because they dont play how others think they should.

Hackers, a definition - Scott Bull - 03-03-2006

They left because people insulted them, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I mean come on, that's so noobish, I don't give a damn what anyone thinks about me, if I did, I'd pay them for their opinions.

And it's not that other's think they should play legitly, but the people who made the game, if they think you should play legitly, then that kind of swings in that direction, the fact that Sega are a bunch of money-grabbing tightwads who couldn't decently patch a game and find their arses with both hands is irrelevant here.
This comes down to the respect thing, if you hack something, you have no respect for it, Sega put at least 2 hours into designing PSO, and I respect that, oh, plus usually these people who hack are mostly teens, or under-acheivers, you don't see Richard Branson playing PSO hacking TJS's and Red Ring's, nor myself for that matter.

Hackers, a definition - Anti Hacker - 10-03-2006

Scott Bull Wrote:They left because people insulted them, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I mean come on, that's so noobish, I don't give a damn what anyone thinks about me, if I did, I'd pay them for their opinions.

That's probably why so many people think you're such a jerk Tongue Just kidding. But seriously, slagging people is not cool. It's called flaming, and is banned.

Scott Bull Wrote:And it's not that other's think they should play legitly, but the people who made the game, if they think you should play legitly, then that kind of swings in that direction, the fact that Sega are a bunch of money-grabbing tightwads who couldn't decently patch a game and find their arses with both hands is irrelevant here.

The people who made the game obviously dont consider legit play to be of great concern, thats why they released the same game over and over with the same flaws. And the point I just raised shows that
Scott Bull Wrote:the fact that Sega are a bunch of money-grabbing tightwads who couldn't decently patch a game and find their arses with both hands
is indeed most relevant.

Scott Bull Wrote:This comes down to the respect thing, if you hack something, you have no respect for it, Sega put at least 2 hours into designing PSO, and I respect that,

I understand completely if hackers dont respect PSO or the two hours work put into the game. Although addicitive, it is flawed in many aspects.

Scott Bull Wrote:oh, plus usually these people who hack are mostly teens, or under-acheivers,

You dont know that really. It's an old prejudice arguement and it's lame in the extreme.

Scott Bull Wrote:you don't see Richard Branson playing PSO hacking TJS's and Red Ring's, nor myself for that matter.

I do. We have private lan parties at his place on giant ass high definition cinema screens. You're not invited! Tongue He makes 10 billion TJS dupes a day!