Charge VS Beserk

[whiteninja]

Because NICE people will help out a newbie from time to time.

I do help out newbies occasionally. When I do that, it usually helping a lv1 character tag in Normal TTF while I use Zelda, NOT having lv100 characters follow me in EN4 while they get whooped by Delsabers.

competitive exp

If you want it to be a competition, then let's just say I am winning.
Last I checked, there was no competition among good team players. "Equal" EXP would be a better term.

So you put an hour into clearing RT. Well guess what, so did they. And if they put in the same amount of time as you, they deserve a competitive share of the exp, end of story.

But I put in a better effort.

While the idea of a lv30 ranger not being able to get competitive exp in normal ruins IS somewhat laughable (assuming your characters were normal-leveled, that is), refer to the point I made above. If blackblade put in time, he should get kills.

I was Samus, and the Fomarl was in the 130's.


Finally, when you have 4 strong players, you barely get any EXP. You each kill about 1/4 of the enemies, and few tags. The low EXP is made up for the speed and the rares.

[NetNomad]

I do help out newbies occasionally. When I do that, it usually helping a lv1 character tag in Normal TTF while I use Zelda, NOT having lv100 characters follow me in EN4 while they get whooped by Delsabers.

Lv100 chars shouldn't be in EN4 in the first place. Conversely, you shouldn't be following THEM around in Forest.

If you want it to be a competition, then let's just say I am winning.
Last I checked, there was no competition among good team players. "Equal" EXP would be a better term.

I was using a more business-ey term. "Equal" would imply that in a 4-player game, each player should get 25% of the exp, which is just absurd to try and measure.

But I put in a better effort.

No, you had better weapons and stats. There's a difference. That's like saying you deserve more money for writing a program just because you bought a more expensive development package. BS.

[jarl]

But I put in a better effort.

lol FTL?

you have ahd the game longer, you have amanged to level up your characters further and you have found better rares than them. maybe if you both play with equal characters, you could find they are the better player, you just have the better equipment.


i mean, in battle mode who's going to win? chaosmagnum at lvl 1, or n00b haXor at lvl 999?

[whiteninja]

i mean, in battle mode who's going to win? chaosmagnum at lvl 1, or n00b haXor at lvl 999?

Magnum. And you know it.

Nomad, EN4 is doable by low level characters... My Fomar at lv135, and Toaster Mage's Humar at lv115 managed to do it. EN4 is not a hard quest if you know what you are doing. Also, I do not join games with lv80 characters and race ahead of them in Forest. To join a someone newbie's game and start to steal all the EXP? That would be rude.

Yes, I do have good weapons, but it is not just the fact I have them that makes them good. It's the fact that I know how to use them. If you give a n00b an exact copy of my Ramarl, I will still do better. I have the strategies to play well, especially in the quests I obssess about (like RT)... and Kefka, those strategies to include Gifoie in a few places now. I found that it is usefull to cast before a Mericarol/kle/cus spawns, so that it flinches right away, and you can attack it. (A specific instance is in East Tower, F6; you can kill the two Mericarol before the Merikle, which is significantly faster.)

[Hrith]

But I put in a better effort.

That's where you're wrong. Work on that, then you can start calling yourself a good player.

[NetNomad]

Yes, I do have good weapons, but it is not just the fact I have them that makes them good. It's the fact that I know how to use them. If you give a n00b an exact copy of my Ramarl, I will still do better. I have the strategies to play well, especially in the quests I obssess about (like RT)...

But you have a good sixty or seventy extra levels on your average player... and players in the 120s and 130s can most certainly do RT. Give a level 120 RAmarl the same equipment as Samus has, and she wouldn't be able to keep up with Samus in full-exp-whore mode, by a long shot. With power comes responsibility; use it where it is appropriate, do not use it where it's not (and I'm not just talking about Forest runs here).

[NthoozD]

and she wouldn't be able to keep up with Samus in full-exp-whore mode, by a long shot.

This one fragment stuck out to me, and made me laugh SOOO hard! I'm sorry you guys!

[whiteninja]

Give a level 120 RAmarl the same equipment as Samus has, and she wouldn't be able to keep up with Samus in full-exp-whore mode, by a long shot. With power comes responsibility; use it where it is appropriate, do not use it where it's not (and I'm not just talking about Forest runs here).

1) Like I told you online, you could max ATA, ATP, and LCK by then, and have lv20 techniques. If our skill levels were equal, and we had the same weapons, that Ramarl could keep up with me.
2) DFP DONT MATTA' IF YA DONT GET HIT! Today, I did finish a PW4 using that Frame... I had two teammates though... Eggman2002 as his lv90 Fomar, and Red Ramar (lv101). They died alot more than me, but they were helpful and they kept up, despite the fact that Eggman was ZERKING ON ILL GILLS WITH A SOUL EATER!!! XD

I died about 7 or 8 times, and every one of them was from Megid. (I only had 5 EDK >.>)

[NetNomad]

Yes, but some people aren't crazy about psycho-maxing their stats that early. For you it's just, max-stats-ASAP-and-then-pwn-everything. I dunno man, somehow you must find the monsters' death animations WAY more interesting than I do, because for me seeing more of them really isn't its own reward, you know?

Either way, for the sake of argument, let's say the lv120-130 RAmarl does NOT have access to uber weaponry and tons of power/luck mats like you might be able to get. Or if they did, they might have to split their resources between several *coughthirteencough* characters. But even if they somehow had access to enough legitmate pow/luck mats and uber weaponry for all their characters to then make a maxed-out-at-130 RAmarl feasible, what if they don't want to? For me, half the fun of this game is in the character growth (the other half being the wep hunting, style, etc.), particularly with those "Kefka-Approved" classes who get significantly better after 160. It would bore the hell out of me if I maxed Loaded Die at 130, because where would she GO from there?

With that in mind, remember again that they ARE putting in the same amount of time as you, and the same amount of effort, and the fact that you might have obsessively maxed your character at 130 is no excuse for whoring experience.

[whiteninja]

Flurg! Everytime I make a long post, I keep getting logged out automatically, then I have to log back in, and I loose the post when I do it!

Long post made short:

Yes, but some people aren't crazy about psycho-maxing their stats that early. For you it's just, max-stats-ASAP-and-then-pwn-everything.

My characters are aiming for high (not even max - I don't use slots) stats at lv200. My Ramarl has nearly maxed stats because she is nearly lv200.

I dunno man, somehow you must find the monsters' death animations WAY more interesting than I do,

Actually, yes, some of the Tower death animations are amusing to me. XD

But even if they somehow had access to enough legitmate pow/luck mats and uber weaponry for all their characters to then make a maxed-out-at-130 RAmarl feasible, what if they don't want to?

Then don't. But play with characters who are in your caliber. If a lv130 Ramarl joined with my lv197 one, and kept up, that would be amazing. However, the more likely scenario is that a lv130 Ramarl is as strong as any lv130 character, so she should play with other lv130 character.

I don't join low-Ultimate games to steal EXP. Low level characters join mine to mooch it, and they phail. Not my fault.

It would bore the hell out of me if I maxed Loaded Die at 130, because where would she GO from there?

Flame Garment. Ill Gill, 1/2900.

I would only max stats that fast if I made the character solely to get a single rare. When I made my Greenill Ramar, I shoved him full of random materials, tweaked him, and then went and got the 3000R. If I wanted a Flame Garment (which I do) the best chance of me getting it would be to use the rest of his materials on ATP, then give him some God/Arms and start doing PW4. Seeing as how my "serious" Greenill character is going to be a Fonewm, I don't think there is a much easier way of getting a Flame Garment... unless I could find a Greenill to do PW4 with me about 35 times. >_>