ID for Forces

[Hrith]

well you can do as you like, but don't be insulted if i don't pay much attention to posts like yours prior. it was a voiced opinion with no support (...)

No support? you do know I made the database here, and most of the guides there: http://romain.bernardi.free.fr/pso as well, and some of the guides on Tycho's site, along with a lot of job at PSOW.

I assumed you knew that, and was giving you a good advice, from a more experienced player.

I basically know all the drops of this game. Making drop charts has that side effect on you. But explaining the pros and cons of an ID can be tedious, to me or the readers.


I'll reply to Whiteninja's PM, not disclosing the private content:

You kinda lost me with your long post.

Pinkal sucks because its drops are bad, simple as that.

What weapons are good for forces, in your opinion?
--only considering Episodes I and II--

Caster:
-9-star canes (all IDs)
-9-star wands (Pinkal, Yellowboze)
-Summit Moon (can be found easily on several IDs)
-Twinkle Star (easier in Oran, Viridia, Greennill)
-Magical Piece (cannot be found)
-Sorcerer's Cane (found in better IDs like Oran or Yellowboze)
-Prophets of Motav (Oran exclusive)
-Psycho Wand (only possible in Oran and Bluefull, or Purplenum if you consider piping)
-Demonic Fork (Purplenum, Pinkal, Oran, Bluefull)
-Caduceus (Whitill, Pinkal, Bluefull, Yellowboze)

Supporter:
-Striker of Chao (easy in a lot of IDs)
-Madam's Umbrella (easy in a lot of IDs)
-Marina's Bag (drops in all IDs)
-Madam's Parasol (Viridia exclusive, but too rare, anyway)

Meleer:
-Soul Banish (Skyly, primarily, then Bluefull, Viridia, Redria and Pinkal)
-Red Saber (Whitill, Yellowboze, Redria)
-Ancient Saber (Yellowboze)
-Morning Glory (Whitill, Bluefull)
-Twin Chakram (Oran exclusive)
-P-Arms's Blade (Yellowboze)
-Plantain Huge Fan (Viridia, mainly)
-S-Rank Twin (cannot be found)
-Red Slicer (Skyly, Redria, Whitill)
-Flight Fan (Whitill exclusive)
-Rainbow Baton (Redria exclusive)
-Red Handgun (Purplenum)
-Bringer's Rifle (Viridia, Greennill, Purplenum, Yellowboze, Pinkal)
-Holy Ray (Bluefull, primarily, then Pinkal, Yellowboze and Greennill)
-Angel Harp (Skyly)
-Vulcan with high hit% (Purplenum, Whitill, then other IDs except Skyly)

Guards:
-Love Heart (Purplenum, Redria)
-Brightness Circle (Purplenum, Redria)
-Guard Wave (Greennill)
-DF Field (Redria)
-Sacred Cloth (Redria, Purplenum)
-Luminous Field (Yellowboze, Redria, Skyly)
-Aura Field (Oran)
-Rico's Glasses (Whitill)
-Rico's Earrings (Whitill)
-Safety Heart (Viridia, Skyly, Purplenum, Pinkal, Redria, Yellowboze)
-Tripolic Shield (Redria, Purplenum, Pinkal)
-Merges (Pinkal)
-God/Battle (Redria)
-God/Mind (Redria)
-God/HP (Skyly)
-God/Arm (Skyly, Purplenum, Greennill)
-God/Body (Viridia)
-God/Power (Redria)
-Cure/Freeze (Redria)
-Cure/Paralysis (Redria)
-Cure/Shock (Redria, Yellowboze)
-Cure/Confuse (Bluefull, Yellowboze)
-Cure/Slow (Pinkal)


See, Pinkal is never the best ID to find good FO stuff, and when it is, it is equally with one or several IDs.
Pinkal is the only ID that finds all barriers and amplifiers, that must be granted, but that's nowhere near a major advantage.

Oran, Bluefull, Yellowboze, Whitill, Purplenum are all better than Pinkal to a Force, whatever kind of Force you decide to play.

So Pinkal sucks, or if you prefer, Pinkal sucks when compared to other IDs. Really, Greennill is the only worse choice you could make.

[A.S.]

Greennill is only worse when you have v4 though, just thought I might add to that before someone goes against what you said.

EDIT:

we are talking about Force IDs

yay, topic change :p

Jarl, Guard Wave sucks; there is Ano Rifle (Redria easily) which is better then yas3k.

[Hrith]

Greennill is only worse when you have v4 though, just thought I might add to that before someone goes against what you said.

No, Greennill is worse, even on v3, we are talking about Force IDs, here.

[jarl]

No, Greennill is worse, even on v3, we are talking about Force IDs, here.

ok, just checking i was thinking of the guard wave i piped, and the yas 3k i need to get with my greenill

[whiteninja]

So Pinkal sucks, or if you prefer, Pinkal sucks when compared to other IDs.

That is what I'd prefer. It may not be as good as some ID's, but it certainly has gotten me many very good weapons for both my Fonewearl and my Fomar (even thought it is my Ramar's ID, I didn't make it to get weapons for himself.)

Back to topic time?

[A.S.]

Whiteninja, Kefka changed the topic to Pinkal; I'll go with that XP

Why do people argue back, then say "can we get back to the topic ?" without expecting a retort relevant to the irrelevant subject ? :p that was rhetorical

EDIT: Anyway, I highly doubt Cyan needs anymore help (do you ?), C3 or Mines or Seaside for Foie, lolz, bai

[whiteninja]

Whiteninja, Kefka changed the topic to Pinkal; I'll go with that XP

Of course you would.

EDIT: Anyway, I highly doubt Cyan needs anymore help (do you ?), C3 or Mines or Seaside for Foie, lolz, bai

Then why is this still open?

[A.S.]

Kefka doesn't lock topics; he lets them die

yeah, I don't get it either but whatever :p

[Hrith]

I PMed Cyan about the hijacking of his thread, just let mods do the mods stuff, k?

[cyan]

No support? you do know I made the database here, and most of the guides there: http://romain.bernardi.free.fr/pso as well, and some of the guides on Tycho's site, along with a lot of job at PSOW.

I assumed you knew that, and was giving you a good advice, from a more experienced player.

Considering I'm constantly looking things up on the database here and playing accordingly, I would not have said that anything you've said so far was unsupported.
By reading this, the fact is that most of my pso strategy is based on your advice now, haha. Now that's irony.
Yeah, I didn't know that you authored all of it, I just knew that you authored a few things here and there in other places. So along with a sincere apology, I also would like to say thank you for all the help you've given me along the way.