HUmar

[Fabo Craven]

did you consider mags?
i assumed the mags were the same.

[jarl]

and you also got the hunewearls lvl 20 shifta, so thats another reason... its not crap at all

[Sonic Saturn]

In my opinion (Sanga, we argue about this a lot so don't just say **** off, please.... for the sake of the children!) HUnewearls are better because thy=ey have great MST so they can boost atk and def lots while HUmars can't do this whatsover, personally, low HP doesn't bother me becuase I suvive it with easily, with no HP boosts just by going at the easier palces, for example, me and Jarlly are 1 or 2 lvls apart, yet he's doing seabed and ruins while I'm not on seabed and thinking "ruins.... no. way." so you wait until it's safer there. plus I have a new FOnewearl which also has low HP (Lvl 1 to 31 in 2 and an afternoon days!) and I'm in hard mines while Sanga is 35 and in cave (last I heard which was today) and I'm rocking easily for example, Mines 1 to 2 in 10mins. (it might be becuse of Razonde lvl 16 with two angelminds++ equipped and a wizard/technique and Dragon/HP, and Razonde merge, and a mag wih lvl127 mind but that's not the point!) so, my answer is, HP doesn't matter, and HUmars are good but at lower lvls and Sanga, you were lvl108! you shoul've at least changed yer section ID, I mean , come one, you've tried out that character, have somo flexability! don't just make up exactly the same character (unless you really want toe give me that Nei's claw... which I'm happy with....). So basically, Sanga, you should've changed your mane character and I THINK in that HUnewearls are better in the later lvls, and that HUmars are for beginners, and Sanga, your not a begginner,(apart from the time when you were lvl 20 something and you had no barrier!)

[jarl]

wait sonic saturn, lets be fair, he DID have a barrier and a frame, its just the frame was lvl 17ish while he was 20ish, and the barrier was about lvl 10ish... (then after i got him some more defences he said he was gettng hurt more lol) anyway.. Humars are ok until the start getting to later lvls- lets look at some kool (yesm im hip ) charts: (its here if any1 doesnt trust me http://www.planetdreamcast.com/psoworld/...artid=1185) lvl 5- (this is humar vs hunewearl) humar has 4 more hp, 10 more atp, 9 less dfp and 10 less mst, 5 more ata and 20 less evade... hmm. not shockingly bad, about on par with each other here, maybe HUnewearl pulling ahead because of the evade.

lvl 100: humars have 38 more hp, 59 more atp, 20 less dfp, 81 less mst, 23 more ata, 12 less evp.

lvl 200: humars have 112 more hp, 108 more atp, 116 less dfp, 391 less mst, 27 more ata and 14 more evp.

ok lets look at this: HUmars, no shifta... 0. at lvl 200, i think its fair to say that no matter what you do lvl 20 shifta will give you a atp boost of your atp times 1.345, base atp of a hunewearl is 835, 835/1.345 = 1106, no weapon and materials used. looks likeHUmarrs lost there. no ... deband, thatll give you a substantial dfp boost on top of the dfp already there, im going to ignore jellen and zalure so as not to embarass humars too much, but overall we have:

lvl 200: humars still have 112 more hp, but we can ignore that because of the massive dfp boost, so so far theyre equal.. ooh, shifta means that hunewearls win on atp.. they have more mst (400 nearly!!) and a bit more evp (wont work that often, lets be honest...) and 30ish more ata, ok that could be a plus, but it would be easily compensated for by a massive boost in DFP and ATP. you loose, mr humar....

[Sonic Saturn]

yup, that makes sense and I agree. and thanks for corecting my memory! and personal point not trying to be mean but. YAY!!!! HUnewearls are better!!!! the nly reason I chose all those years ago was becuase they looked cool, then I realized they have the best MST (not including forces obviously) and I really like spells! fun fun! and they have gd ATP which I need! even more fun! So I'm really happy, and Sanga, if you wnat more evidence that yer wrong or whatever, just ask Jarlly or Kefka!

[Hrith]

Comparing with base stats is not eactly a good idea, especially Lv 200 ones, at Lv 200, you are likely to have used materials, and have a good mag equipped.

HUmar max ATA 200
HUnewearl max ATA 199

So the difference is not 27, but 1.

I have max ATP and ATA on my L 184 HUnewearl, imagine at Lv 200.

[Nanna]

Humar = lv200 with 174 ATA , Max 200 ATA
Hunew = lv200 with 147 ATA , Max 199ATA

For Humar user you'll dont worry about you accuracy , even you got 1 God/Arm and with (145pow/50dex/5def mags) ,and you'll raise good ata when they lvling 100+, just bootfull on ATP!!! , s/d they can equip with S-Red's Blade ,(usefull on humar/hucast/hucaseal), also..''250'' MATERIALS is so CHEAT!! =P

My current main Character is Hunewearl , she's my favorite, but she has low accuracy,but with (95pow/100dex/5def Nidra) i think is enouth with 1 God/Arm , they are always suX on attack power , Thanks for Techs LV20 usable make she most balance with other Hunter class .(150 Materials)..

I think Humar will work good more than Hunewearl in Online mode
Anyway ,We are not looking for a favorite Char ? and playing fun , make they Strengh =D or just keep it whos the best or the more strogh......?

its just my opinion...Hope all will get her favorite char and play fun!!

[Sanga]

listen here evry 1 now Sonic saturn i had a higher atp ata and health those r the most important things tht a hunter will need now jarl will agree wit me here what is the point in raising ur mags mind to more thtn lv 5 unless u r a force it is insane! plus Nanna is right Humars accuracy grter

[Teh EkwEE]

Do you guys even think coherently....I can't really understand you guys. Actually, I can't understand you guys at all......just shush from now on. Anyway HUneys are far better, end of disscussion, if Kefka wishes he can give you all the reasons but we've covered most, so it shouldn't really matter.

[Sonic Saturn]

Sanga! I told you not to say that sort of thing! and more than lvl5 mind is crazy unless your a force!!!???? oh dear... that's stupid, in my opinion a HUmar should ahev quite a bit of mind on a ,ag so that it makes up for it's natural low MST, but then again, I've got a lvl 115 and her mind is over 35... but I really like spells, as in, I only take two weapons with me, Chainsawd, and Yamato/Demo comet, guns? who needs guns when I absoloutly got too much MST so I mgith as well use it!, I used like 50 too many Mind mats and about lvl36 mind on my mag, if you want to know how much I screwed up Jess with materials, ask Jarlly to put them here, I'd quite like to see them again. and Sanga, you your comparing Jess with Sanga, not HUnewearls with HUmars, you told me thius today, but I wanted to say it anyway. and My dex on my mag was much lowert as well and your ATP was a bit higher I think. Plus Sanga, you have a friend who has a HUmar, with 40 mind and you don't tell him he's stupid! plus, SC-Teh EkwEE was right, you want more proof, just ask Kefka, Plus, he said that that they sucked some where and you've said "It must be true becasue Kefka said it so many times" that you shouldn't deny it anyway. My short opinion, is that HUmars are for beginners and are good up to lvl100ish then start to be not so good, and Sanga, you say you won't stop until your lvl200.... I'm not even aiming for that! and I've been playing for much longer than that and haven't been corrupted, and Sanga, your not a peginner, and I don't think you'll make lvl200, and if you do, not for another 2 years or so!