HUmars, what do you think of them?

[Sai]

dude, i have a RAmar which is the most shooty class, and a foney, which is the most non combat class in the game. i also have a HUcaseal cos i dont like playing with a HUnewearl even tohugh i think theyre better. i like all ways of fighting, but hate humars, because they DO suck. a person can be amazing at anything, but unless they are very ignorant or stupid, they cannot deny humars suck.

1) I'm a girl.
2) I said nothing of RA, only mentioned that people who don't like HU MAY not be the type who like to go around slicing things up.
3) I wouldn't count the HUmar out until you've seen my cousin kick butt with one.

My whole point was that the type of pc a player might think are bad differ from player to player. You can't just say a pc sucks and expect everyone to think the same way.

[Hrith]

What you just called "fact" was the notion that HUmar is the worst class in the game. I'd be careful of confusing facts and opinions...

I never used my opinions in such threads, I just seem to know PSO more than you do.

The same ATA? I dunno about that, considering at Lv200 there'd be a base difference of 27 ATA (at which point the HUnewearl would have to have weapons with at least 25% more hit than the HUmar's to have relatively equal ATA). "Same damage" is also not taking into account material usage; since HUmar can use 100 more materials than HUnewearl, it's easier to max out his ATP than it is the HUnewearls. Again, I think a lot of HUmars you've probably seen were in fact noobs, they didn't plan their materials, and so an experienced player with a HUnewearl planned better than them and therefore is doing more damage.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.
HUmar max ATA = 200
HUnewearl max ATA = 199
I call that same ATA.
I have a Lv 184 HUnewearl, and she is maxed on ATP and ATA, and still has better DFP and EVP than a HUmar, so imagine if she were Lv 200.

The "base stats" difference applies until Lv 100 or so, that's all, never compare using base stats, it's stupid.

And not everyone plays PW4 and cmode all day, either. If you were playing PW4 I'd tend to agree; a team of a FOnewearl, two HUcasts/HUcaseals and probably a ranger of some kind with an FS or SQ would be the most likely to succeed

That, and your next comment shows how little you actually know about the gameplay. A good team for PW#4 is FOnewearl/FOmarl, RAmarl, RAcast/RAcaseal x2, hunters just suck in this quest; the only decent hunter in PW#4 is the HUcast thanks to his godly ATP, but not under Lv 180.

(then again, take weapons into account too... if you had a HUmar dealing more damage than a HUcast because he had better weaponry, would you still pick the HUcast?).

Traps. Dealing 100 more damage per combo is not very useful when you are lying on the ground harassed by unfrozen Ill Gills.

All your points are based around how the character looks on paper, but it's a really one-dimensional viewpoint.

No, all my points are based off of the real gameplay, I don't care much about what the stats of the HUmar are. In actual gameplay, he does not deal more damage than HUnewearl, is a deadweight to a team, sucks at soloing, those are FACTS taken from experience of the game.

I'd also like to know what you consider to be a good HUmar, now that you say there is such a thing.

One that does not die, and manages to kill some stuff, which won't happen much in tough areas.
Even my friends that have HUmars and are good with them aren't stupid enough to do Seabed/PW#3, PW#4 or any tough quest with a HUmar. So when we settle for a hard quest, they change chars, obviously.
HUmar are good for Forest, Cave and the VR areas, later, their weaknesses begin to show up too much.

[A.S.]

Kefka, I'm not asking you to stop posting but you stated your opinion way too much, I think we can understand that by several posts on each page repeating "HUmars suck", and the details, and your EXP with the game, and blah, we got the message.

[Hrith]

We got the message.

If that was true, there would not be such a thread.

And I could say the same the other way around, your post makes no sense.

A forum is a place to discuss, not to say "ok, you don't agree with me, so shut up", if you have nothing to say that would contribute to the topic, just don't post, then.