HUmars, what do you think of them?

[ZodakX]

Sorry. You're right. We all seem to have digressed. I like HUmars. I think they're both newbie chars and expert chars.

...But you've got to admit: it's an interesting/entertaining debate!

[ShadowNinja X7]

I like HUmars but I don't have one anymore. They're good in all areas but don't really excel in any.

[Teh EkwEE]

They are good in nothing and they don't have good animations really (Partisan and saber excluded, Give my HUney a God/Battle and a Last Survivor [But why that I'll use a Red Sword, as mine works quite nicely in caves] and I'll clear out that room in a third of the time you take.....) But sword, twin-sabers, claws, and daggers HUnewearl has an advantage on....

[Archer]

w/e, it's only a character. You pick the character to be your avatar in the game. I don't pick my characters by statistics, I pick them because that's what I want to look like. I have a few characters including a HUmar as my main and that's how things are ^_^.

[Dark_Rabbit]

I personally like HUmars alot, though they aren't my fave class my HUmar seems to be able to handle anything that comes his way, the problem i had with HUnewearls was thier HP, it made some bosses later on a bit annoying and with HUcast i wasn't able to hit anything later on because of their serious lack of ATA, BTW i'm not a n00b i've been playing since DC ver 1

[tangwistel]

HUmar doesn't suck, he's just average. He is not the best at anything but neither is he the worst at anything. I don't think that makes him the worst class in the game - I don't think you can point at any of them and say "there, that's the worst". You can say that FOmar has the worst accuracy or RAmar has the worst magic ability, but that's it. The great thing about PSO is that every class is worse than another at something and better than another at something else. So that's the thing about HUmar, he's smack in the middle. If he was an ice cream he would be plain vanilla.

Perhaps that's why they're a popular class for newbies: they can be relied not to completely suck in any particular field.

[Hrith]

Well Kefka, why is your opinion so important?

It's not my opinion, it's a fact.

Netty, you missed my point, the difference in ATP between HUmar and HUnewearl is not enough to see a significant difference in damage dealt (under the same Shifta).

-So in a team, HUnewearl deals same damage, as the same ATA, but better DFP, better EVP, better MST, and better spells.
And don't say "if there's a FO, then her techs have no use", I have a Lv 200 RAmarl and a Lv 184 HUnewearl, and I can assure you Lv 20 techs are VERY useful even if there's already a FO, of course, I mean in tough places/quests, not in Forest, Cave or Temple >_>

-In a team without a FO he is a deadweight, no traps, no good techs.

-In solo, he sucks.

And do not use the "it all depends on the player's skill, not the character" argument, that's totally not my point.

Yeah, I've seen good HUmars, about 0.1% of the HUmar population.
But even good players cannot make that shitty char even remotely good in the hardest quests of PSO.
A HUmar in Phantasmal World #4 is a big no from me, I'm not joining a team with a HUmar in that quest.

[Sai]

To me, any of the pcs can be good, it just depends on your skill at using it. I use female versions of FO, HU, and RA, but that's because I am a girl and I want my character to be one too. For me, the FO are the worst to use because I don't have alot of patience for magic using pcs in the first place. The people who don't like HUmars, or HU in general might not be the "hack/slash" type. It just depends on what the player likes.

[jarl]

The people who don't like HUmars, or HU in general might not be the "hack/slash" type.

dude, i have a RAmar which is the most shooty class, and a foney, which is the most non combat class in the game. i also have a HUcaseal cos i dont like playing with a HUnewearl even tohugh i think theyre better. i like all ways of fighting, but hate humars, because they DO suck. a person can be amazing at anything, but unless they are very ignorant or stupid, they cannot deny humars suck.

[NetNomad]

It's not my opinion, it's a fact.

What you just called "fact" was the notion that HUmar is the worst class in the game. I'd be careful of confusing facts and opinions...

Netty, you missed my point, the difference in ATP between HUmar and HUnewearl is not enough to see a significant difference in damage dealt (under the same Shifta).

-So in a team, HUnewearl deals same damage, as the same ATA, but better DFP, better EVP, better MST, and better spells.

The same ATA? I dunno about that, considering at Lv200 there'd be a base difference of 27 ATA (at which point the HUnewearl would have to have weapons with at least 25% more hit than the HUmar's to have relatively equal ATA). "Same damage" is also not taking into account material usage; since HUmar can use 100 more materials than HUnewearl, it's easier to max out his ATP than it is the HUnewearls. Again, I think a lot of HUmars you've probably seen were in fact noobs, they didn't plan their materials, and so an experienced player with a HUnewearl planned better than them and therefore is doing more damage.

And don't say "if there's a FO, then her techs have no use", I have a Lv 200 RAmarl and a Lv 184 HUnewearl, and I can assure you Lv 20 techs are VERY useful even if there's already a FO, of course, I mean in tough places/quests, not in Forest, Cave or Temple >_>

I never said her techs have no use, but then again, that varies too. How many mind mats and mind levelups on a mag would you use to get these techs to a decent damage level? That would make it harder to max out other stats (although perhaps not for the RAmarl since she can use 100 more mats than the HUnewearl).

And not everyone plays PW4 and cmode all day, either. If you were playing PW4 I'd tend to agree; a team of a FOnewearl, two HUcasts/HUcaseals and probably a ranger of some kind with an FS or SQ would be the most likely to succeed (then again, take weapons into account too... if you had a HUmar dealing more damage than a HUcast because he had better weaponry, would you still pick the HUcast?).

-In a team without a FO he is a deadweight, no traps, no good techs.

-In solo, he sucks.

And do not use the "it all depends on the player's skill, not the character" argument, that's totally not my point.

No, it's my point. All your points are based around how the character looks on paper, but it's a really one-dimensional viewpoint.

Yeah, I've seen good HUmars, about 0.1% of the HUmar population.
But even good players cannot make that shitty char even remotely good in the hardest quests of PSO.
A HUmar in Phantasmal World #4 is a big no from me, I'm not joining a team with a HUmar in that quest.

Again, this may have some merit if the HUmar has about the same weaponry and material usage... but you don't always know that. Even in PW4 it can't be as one-dimensional as "is he a HUmar or is he a HUcast?"

I'd also like to know what you consider to be a good HUmar, now that you say there is such a thing.