whiteninja Wrote:theepw, if you have a level 200 character that's legit, you will have a better set of weapons (and if you have an illegit one, you'll have a good set of hacked weapons ). It takes about 1250-1500 hours just to get one level 200 character, and it is statistically impossible to not get a single good rare while doing that, unless you played only in Normal mode, in which case you'd have to play from the moment of the game's release up until now, and still not have a level 200 character.
BTW, I have a pair of Charge Vulcan's with a hit% too.
I hit level 200 back in October 2003, and it took me 1056 hours.. and to say its statistically impossible not to have an amazing weapon by that time clearly highlights your lack of understanding of probability! Each forest run, each cave run is completely independant of one another! I could find a heaven punisher on my first run through mines, or I could find it on my 1 millionth run, or i could never find one.. the latter is the position I am currently in!
I only ever have played with 2 chars, which is why I have two very high level chars.... I know MANY people who dont have any level 200 chars yet still have a much rarer set of weapons than I have! Probablility states that the chances are, I will have a rarer set of weapons than you have, but its not fact by all means. Chances are you will probably have a better set of weapons I have. Although I have clocked more hours on one char, its important to understand that other people in games will pick up rares and the drop rates are only an average drop. A 1 in 203 drop does not mean the weapon will drop after 203 kills of that monster.
Your not in a position to tell people what kind of rares they should have found by level 200, when you dont even have one yourself.
A lot of people fail to understand probability, and its quite frustrating...
Well if you played 1056 hours before Oct 2003, then you probably have alot more than that now, and to say that you have not found any good weapons, you've got to be lying...... Except I just realized something, you might be stacking or using hacked mags which would stop you from ever finding a rare.... I know that the drop doesn't have to happen before you kill 203 of the 1/203 monster (I don't think there are any 1/203 drops :S ) but to say that it won't drop it after killing 10,000 is possible, but so improbable, it's complete bull.
whiteninja Wrote:Well if you played 1056 hours before Oct 2003, then you probably have alot more than that now, and to say that you have not found any good weapons, you've got to be lying...... Except I just realized something, you might be stacking or using hacked mags which would stop you from ever finding a rare.... I know that the drop doesn't have to happen before you kill 203 of the 1/203 monster (I don't think there are any 1/203 drops :S ) but to say that it won't drop it after killing 10,000 is possible, but so improbable, it's complete bull.
I havent played with my 200 char since getting to 200.... Thats the only downside of getting to 200, being accused by people in a lobby of hacking. I only play with my Hucast now.
I dont use any hacked weapons... The fact that I told you that my Hucast uses Vulcans and my force a Striker of Chao kinda underlines the fact that I play legit.
And once again, no! The rarest weapon I have found is my monkey king bar... and thats not saying much considering how many Dolmolms I had to kill in seabed.
Once again... you fail to understand how probability works! I am sure that there are many people on here who can sympathise with me here:
My friend was on a search for a MKB, he killed 10,000 squids and not one MKB dropped. The next week, he found 5 MKB's in the space of 3 days!
Without hindsight, if I had been told that my friend would not have had a MKB drop after 10,000 squids I would have said it was almost impossible..... But if you think about it mathematically, its no where near impossible! As each seabed run is completely independant of one another, my friend could have been searching his whole life and not found one.... improbable, but no where near impossible as you seem to think.
To say ive 'got to be lying' once again shows your lack of understanding.... So you think that by text book definition, EVERYONE who has a level 200 char MUST have a very rare weapon in order to justify that level???
I have a level 191 Hucast and a 200 Fonewm on EU Xbox and I only use Charge Vulcans on my Hucast and a Striker of Chao on my force.... Just because someone is a high level does not mean, he/she has a better collection of weapons. There is more chance that the level 200 individual has a better collection, but it doesnt mean that the individual WILL have better weapons...
Btw 9-star weapons are not crap... my vulcans probably do more damage than any weapon you have in your bank and they are only 7 star...
Congrats on getting to 200... its a tough journey but worth it!
As someone said, its probably best to close this thread.
He's right, at lvl 200 you don't need good weapons to rule, your own stats and a good mag can do that. moker:
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Seph, you don't need a good weapon at level 200, but the odds that you will have them almost assured..... almost.... not quite..... but high enough that I can believe that this guy is full of s**t.
Whatever.... I can see this becoming a flamefest soon.... best to lock.....I'm hereby exiting this thread now.
04-07-2005, 05:00 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2005, 05:04 PM by theepw.)
whiteninja Wrote:Seph, you don't need a good weapon at level 200, but the odds that you will have them almost assured..... almost.... not quite..... but high enough that I can believe that this guy is full of s**t.
Whatever.... I can see this becoming a flamefest soon.... best to lock.....I'm hereby exiting this thread now.
lol, thats the funniest thing ive heard all month. I am TELLING you how probability works. FACT. And you are saying I am full of sh*t? Sorry but if you take that view, then I am afraid that every mathematician in the world and everyone with a ounce of sense will massively disagree with you....
Its clear that whiteninja has more or less admitted to his lack of understanding by the abuse of his last post.
Go read ANY text book on maths ninja and it well tell you what I have just said... Saying its impossible is foolish and youve just made a fool out of yourself!
Saying that EVERY 200 char must have a very rare weapon is ridiculous!
I guess the mods have two options now:
1) lock the thread
2) get this guy a maths text book
04-07-2005, 05:17 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2005, 05:25 PM by jarl.)
hang on, your friend killed 10,000 SQUIDS?? you dojnt even know what theyre called after he killed 10000 of the things? then he got 5 mkb's in 3 days? dorry, but what do you think the chances of that happening are? your lecturing us about probability, but probability tells me this really didnt happen! first of all,you have the small probability of not getting a mkb 10000 times multiplied together, then getting 5 after about 1000 SQUIDS at the most.... hmm, is it just me or does that not look good? let me guess, you believe in the big bang theory? try this probability for size: (see attached)
04-07-2005, 05:31 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2005, 05:38 PM by theepw.)
jarl Wrote:hang on, your friend killed 10,000 SQUIDS?? you dojnt even know what theyre called after he killed 10000 of the things? then he got 5 mkb's in 3 days? dorry, but what do you think the chances of that happening are? your lecturing us about probability, but probability tells me this really didnt happen! first of all,you have the small probability of not getting a mkb 10000 times multiplied together, then getting 5 after about 1000 SQUIDS at the most.... hmm, is it just me or does that not look good? let me guess, you believe in the big bang theory? try this probability for size: (see attached)
dont talk to me about probability......
lol... oh dear!
Actually if you read my post I put down Dolmolm! I then referred to it as squid afterwards.... The clearly shows how well you can read posts doesnt it?? How about reading before 'lecturing'..
Errr... yes he was in a game in which 5 were found... over the space of three days in the resting at the beach quest.... So whats your problem???
You say probablility says it doesnt happen?? And where is your logic to that exactly? Perhaps probability in your head doesnt say it happens.... but it does!
How dare you say it doesnt happen! It has happened and just because you claim it doesnt happen, doesnt mean its impossible.... Sorry to break this to you... but the world does not revolve around you or your 'theories'....
Its not 10,000 multiplied together!!! Ill explain it to you, in simple terms so that you understand... Its not multiplied by 10,000 as EACH run is INDEPENENT of each other!
Dont you dare talk to me like that... im not studying maths at uni for nothing..
Oh... and of couse I believe in big bang theory... what else am I meant to believe in? Some magical creature that makes everything??
04-07-2005, 05:36 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2005, 05:41 PM by jarl.)
true, but the world does revolve around the laws of physics, so if your seriously claiming that you have managed to beat the odds of, o hell ill post later the odds, ill work em out just to spite you... and if your seriously saying that you have beaten those odds, then done something that only 2 other legit people have ever climed to do, then i think you may be lying....
arr, screw it cant be bothered, ive forgotten how to do probability so ill try the lazy route (i.e getting a teacher to do it for me)
jarl Wrote:true, but the world does revolve around the laws of physics, so if your seriously claiming that you have managed to beat the odds of, o hell ill post later the odds, ill work em out just to spite you... and if your seriously saying that you have beaten those odds, then done something that only 2 other legit people have ever climed to do, then i think you may be lying....
Someone who finds a heaven punisher beats the odds, someone who finds a psycho wand beats the odds! Someone who wins the lottery beats the odds! Thats a 1/5,000,000 chance of winning and someone wins every week! According to your theory, someone who wins the lottery, find a heaven punisher is lying? hmmm, some 'theory' you got there! Good luck with it, ull need it!
You dont even know how to calculate the odds, so dont tell me youll calculate it! Each run of seabed is entirely separate, the fact that 5 MKB's were found after hunting 10,000 Dolmolms is irrelevant!
). It takes about 1250-1500 hours just to get one level 200 character, and it is statistically impossible to not get a single good rare while doing that, unless you played only in Normal mode, in which case you'd have to play from the moment of the game's release up until now, and still not have a level 200 character.
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