FSOD & Corruption FAQ

[Serpent7]

As much as I disagree with everything Scott's said and would like to argue back, it's getting a bit O.T.T. and it's starting to make redundant weight on this thread, so... cut it out. ><

[Scott Bull]

Comical, just comical, you don't realise how right you're making me look, for the fact that the game matters to you that much tat if you lose a weapon, you'd make another one, perhaps I should kidnap half a dozen sweatshop workers to make me a new pair of Nikes when my old ones fade.

You protest like that because you have no respect,not just for the game, but for those who don't even "back-up" their items, you hate to admit that there may be someone better than you, that doesn't cry like a baby when they lose a weapon, you amusingly try to justify what you do as if you've got someone to proove to yourself, 'cos you know you could never proove it to someone better than you.

When one of my old N64 memory cards corrupt with game data on it, I don't say; "well I completed it once, so this time I will exploit the game", I play through it again, as something to do, as games are an art-form, something to be respected, unless you're a little kid who thinks that games matter, and that if you lost a weapon the world would end, does this mean that since I've never started a war, I shouldn't pay that percentage of my taxes.

I bet you say that FSOD'ing a person who FSOD you isn't being as bad, as they FSOD you first.

As for God being a cheater, that's merely the people who cheat and think they are God, bascially due to a lack of a social life and an inferiority-complex.
And God doesn't play games, he is too busy being someone who is pretending to "back-up" his items.

I now know what you're gonna say, you're gonna' mention how it isn't against any DPA laws and rubbish like that, as do all people who try to justify something, or how that if it's just a game that it doesn't matter, failing that you'll make some sarcastic and over-used insult against me, so I've just saved you the bother there.

Anybody with half a brain cell would find 2 of the item they like, and store 1 of the items on a character on a seperate memory-card, (such as I do), this way, when I lost my Elysion or my Holy-Ray, I just grabbed the other I found that I stored on another memory card, unless you're not just stupid, but also poor, in which case, dupe away.

[Anti Hacker]

Comical, just comical, you don't realise how right you're making me look, for the fact that the game matters to you that much tat if you lose a weapon, you'd make another one, perhaps I should kidnap half a dozen sweatshop workers to make me a new pair of Nikes when my old ones fade.

You protest like that because you have no respect,not just for the game, but for those who don't even "back-up" their items, you hate to admit that there may be someone better than you, that doesn't cry like a baby when they lose a weapon, you amusingly try to justify what you do as if you've got someone to proove to yourself, 'cos you know you could never proove it to someone better than you.

When one of my old N64 memory cards corrupt with game data on it, I don't say; "well I completed it once, so this time I will exploit the game", I play through it again, as something to do, as games are an art-form, something to be respected, unless you're a little kid who thinks that games matter, and that if you lost a weapon the world would end, does this mean that since I've never started a war, I shouldn't pay that percentage of my taxes.

I bet you say that FSOD'ing a person who FSOD you isn't being as bad, as they FSOD you first.

As for God being a cheater, that's merely the people who cheat and think they are God, bascially due to a lack of a social life and an inferiority-complex.
And God doesn't play games, he is too busy being someone who is pretending to "back-up" his items.

I now know what you're gonna say, you're gonna' mention how it isn't against any DPA laws and rubbish like that, as do all people who try to justify something, or how that if it's just a game that it doesn't matter, failing that you'll make some sarcastic and over-used insult against me, so I've just saved you the bother there.

Anybody with half a brain cell would find 2 of the item they like, and store 1 of the items on a character on a seperate memory-card, (such as I do), this way, when I lost my Elysion or my Holy-Ray, I just grabbed the other I found that I stored on another memory card, unless you're not just stupid, but also poor, in which case, dupe away.

Back-up, otherwise known as thinking ahead is legit. Unless you're one of those "OMFg you us3d a telipie you have to be hardc0r3 and w4lk back or its cheaT1ng!" uber legits who just seeks to annoy people because actually they can't be bothered to back up. You could equally say in contrast to your arguement, your 'right hand side of god' players are just finding ways to justify their own shortcomings and not thinking to back up by disrespecting other players.

Polls have been done, the majority feel back up is legit.

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This is an FSOD/Corruption FAQ, and so it stays thus I suggest it is closed.

[Scott Bull]

The majority are people with guilty consciences who try to justify what they are doing is legit, if these people think that the game isn't the be all and end all, they wouldn't dupe, they'd go "oh, dear, I lost my weapon, never mind, rather than whinge and complain about it, or dupe on, which I shall call a back-up to ease my conscience, I shall play the game as it's meant to be played, perhaps, even *scoffs* meet some of the other players of the game".

I go online, play the game with, meet some of the other players, and have some fun with them, rather than cry myself out on the inside, all because I lost a weapon.

People who are so convinced that backing-up isn't duping obviously have a guilty conscience, like players who spawn kill on FPS games you will never be able to make them see any different, they have their heads so far up their own rear-ends, even more sure of their own self superiority than real legit players, that they won't accept it, and just use the same lame "oh, I'm protecting my weapons" excuses, you don't ask for a refund when you don't win on the lottery, gaming on PSO is the same, there's a slightly chance of getting FSOD, boohoo, you lose a wep, get over it, it's just a game.

A friend of mine FSOD lost both their PSO game files, I gave them a dozen weapons they lost, and over 650 PSO3 cards, we had a nice conversation about stuff, and also about the game, which is what the game is, a community.

As for not being able to be bothered, yes, that's right, because it's just a game, and if I lose a wep, I will set out to re-find it anew, again, just a tired excuse used by wannabe' legits, those who mourne over the loss of a weapon like a loved one has just died.

Duping, (backing-up, for the pansies who wish to argue on definitions of terms), spawn-killing, snaking, the whole deal, fine for those who have trouble accepting it's just a game, and get an emotional attachment to a fictional item, but for those of us who just accept losing weapons and FSOD'ing as partof the game, we will move on, and actually sleep with someone else, rather than our memory cards, dreaming of items that never actually exist.

[Anti Hacker]

I find your arguement confusing and with broken analogy links in several places. It also is oddly similar to the "Oedipus Complex".

For a start, I back up my weapons and suffer from no hidden guilt. What you are suggesting is bordering on a Freudian view of PSO, and I find this disturbing. The very concept that I could feel guilt over a game is ridiculous.

You will find that people who back up weapons do not whine or cry their eyes out, because, well... They have back-ups. That's the point. The most irritating people to be around in such circumstances are uber legits;

They whine and on top of this they often go to the trouble of hunting the weapon all over again!

You say the games weapons dont mean much to you, but you hunt them all over again (doing things the hard way) instead of backing up? I find this to be extremely self-contradictory.

Your lottery analogy is broken.

The correct analogy is that: You have a chance of finding a weapon from an enemy.

You have a chance of winning the lottery from your ticket.

If you dont get the weapon, you shouldnt hack the weapon.

If you dont win the lottery, you shouldnt get a ticket refund/the million dollars anyway.

^ That is not the same as what you said. Back up is not the same as hacking something you never got/earned in the first place therefore the backup theorey can still be considered legit.

I find your link between spawn killing and RPG back up un-connectable. It makes no sense at all. Surely spawn killing on an FPS would be linked to spawn killing on an RPG.

You refer multiple times to not bothering to back-up because it's "just a game" find this ironic, because backup is faster/easier and actually if it's "just a game" why re-hunt? Backup is like insurance. Some mad man savages your car, you claim on the insurance rather than having to buy a whole new car. No one considers this swindling/cheating the law or society.

[Bernie_Jr]

yea i get FSOD pretty often in lobbies, also for some reason my game's music will freeze in forest (mostly on normal), yet i can still move, but then if i use a pipe or quit or go to any other loading screen my game will freeze and it will not save, so i have to start from the last save. i guess my game cd is glitched or scratched or something on the forest spot, or my xbox is breaking down, but i did get the game used
but the thing is, there are no scratches or any marks on the disc
:S

PS how do i get a better mag on here?

[Anti Hacker]

PS how do i get a better mag on here?

We can't answer that I am afraid, against the rules y'know!

[Scott Bull]

OK, allow me to put it in another way, do you copy every DVD, CD, VHS you buy, as a precautionary measure of in case your house gets burgled, I seriously doubt it, but you dupe, (I'm sorry, I'll use the terms that make you feel better about yourself), back-up your items, is it so hard to just find a 2nd weapon, then storing it on a 2nd memory card, if you get total FSOD, you've even lost those items that you've stored anyhow, so you're not getting anything back.

That's what I do, find another of the same weapon, then put it on a 2nd memory card, they're not that expensive y'know, just boot it up every so often, and put all your spare items onto it.
Oh, and get house insurance, tee-hee.

At the end of the day, you're saying you're legit, but you back-up weapons, by this theory, if I gave someone a Psycho Wand for 30secs, that then becomes their weapon, so they could "back-up" the weapon, then decide they don't want it, and generously give it back to me, (though I refuse to do this for anyone), and since it was their item at the time, they was making a "back-up" and not a dupe.
It's merely a excuse created by those too worried about their own rep on the net, thinking it's worth a dam, so they can lie to theirselves, and put them on the same level as someone who actually plays the game how it's meant to be played, or is the page about "backing-up" items just missing from both of my manuals, 'cos I don't think Sega put it in their intentionally, saying that, it's their fault if they're too lazy to patch it, but in the same breath, that those who do it, shouldn't put themself on the same exalted level as those of us who, if we lose a wep, (such as the Elysion I lost last month), we don't make out like we only made a back-up, 'cos a fictional weapon was our only friend.

It's sort of like a contradiction you saying it ain't wrong, that's like me saying I'm a non-smoker except for cigarettes, (if I smoked).

Perhaps I might be a pacifist, except for kickboxing.

The day you back-up all your DVD's, CD's and VHS's, is the day that "backing-up" your items won't be considered "duping" by the real legit players.

[Phantom_RAcast]

OK, allow me to put it in another way, do you copy every DVD, CD, VHS you buy, as a precautionary measure of in case your house gets burgled, I seriously doubt it, but you dupe, (I'm sorry, I'll use the terms that make you feel better about yourself), back-up your items, is it so hard to just find a 2nd weapon, then storing it on a 2nd memory card, if you get total FSOD, you've even lost those items that you've stored anyhow, so you're not getting anything back.

Yes, infact I do backup all my DVDs and CDs, who knows when somethings gonna crap out. Also it is difficult to find say a second SJS, or something else very rare.

At the end of the day, you're saying you're legit, but you back-up weapons, by this theory, if I gave someone a Psycho Wand for 30secs, that then becomes their weapon, so they could "back-up" the weapon, then decide they don't want it, and generously give it back to me, (though I refuse to do this for anyone), and since it was their item at the time, they was making a "back-up" and not a dupe.

in my eyes its only a backup if you have an original copy. That'd be like ripping a DVD and burning it for a friend.

It's merely a excuse created by those too worried about their own rep on the net, thinking it's worth a dam, so they can lie to theirselves, and put them on the same level as someone who actually plays the game how it's meant to be played

Since when are people who dont cheat or backup, considered better than those that do?

[Anti Hacker]

I also make copies of all my CDs/DVDs but not incase someone steals them, incase they become corrupt and need formatting or whatever. Which is in-fact exactly why you should back up your PSO items. In case your main card becomes corrupted.

At the end of the day, you're saying you're legit, but you back-up weapons, by this theory, if I gave someone a Psycho Wand for 30secs, that then becomes their weapon, so they could "back-up" the weapon, then decide they don't want it, and generously give it back to me, (though I refuse to do this for anyone), and since it was their item at the time, they was making a "back-up" and not a dupe.

If you back up an item, you do not trade the back up or trade the original and then take out the back up. it only ever becomes used when the original is destroyed. Otherwise it isn't a back up, it's running paralell to the original.

If you trade the original or the back up, the other must be destroyed. This is a rule I keep to. A back-up ensures no unfair advantage to any player. What you suggested above is that you could use a back-up to cheat. Well, if you do, the item is no longer a back-up and therefore you are cheating. If the item is no longer a back up, then backing up is still legit because it's only in the event of the player cheating or abusing the back up that they become non legit. If a back up and an original are both in use at the same time you are not backing up, and no you can't claim you are.

It's merely a excuse created by those too worried about their own rep on the net, thinking it's worth a dam, so they can lie to theirselves, and put them on the same level as someone who actually plays the game how it's meant to be played

I'll decide what I think thanks, not you.

There's no one left online playing PSO cube that I know anyway. So I really wouldn't care. The game is not meant to be played so that you lose items due to FSOD/Corruption, so backing up actually is an attempt to play the game as it is meant to be played.

I still don't understand why you talk about not bothering to back up. It's harder re-finding them. It's more effort. You are going to greater lengths to keep your weapons than people who back up, because you re-hunt. If anyone is desperate to get their weapons back its you.