The Theory of the World

[Anti Hacker]

If you WENT there and brought back a sample of the water, that might be a different story.

So in actual fact science could prove it, if that were done

It wasn't harsh, it was just the truth. I believe Karl Marx said it best:

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The dominating classes in any society use religion to justify the suffering of the dominated. They also use it to show that the suffering will be rewarded in the non-existant "afterlife".

The dominated, seeing no easy way out of their situation, likely agree with this. They believe that they will be rewarded and thus their own lives do not seem as bad.

Or, radical factions among the opressed twist religion to their own purposes for resistance, claiming that one day a "God" will save them from opression, or that the opressed in the afterlife will become the dominant ones.

The very nature of religion is, yes, to explain the unexplainable. But also to justify that which should not be justified.

By the very fact that not all religions are the same, and by the very fact that religion exists most everywhere in some form, we can see that it is hypocritical and little more.

People will believe what they want to believe, not what is most likely. Myself I find this rather absurd, I could never force myself to believe in that which is obviously the invention of mans mind.

As for faith? People say I lack faith. But all faith means to me is blind following. So yes, I lack the desire to blindly follow. Making a positive word for a negative condition of the mind will not save religion!

[Faulkie]

Well the first thing that springs to mind is the fact that you can't prove ANYTHING. Present anything as a fact and I can say that there is a scenario in which it could be false. It would be highly unlikely, but not impossible. So therefore you can't really take anything as being 100% the truth.

And also, people are FAR too against religion. I mean... even if you don't happen to believe in it, why mock people who do?

EDIT: And to the point about girls... I think that most guys just don't understand girls and how they think AT ALL. I do, generally. You've just got to take the time to understand them and they become much much less of a mystery. They don't all "mess with your mind". :/ That's more of a stereotype than a fact.

Oh well, girls say I'm different from most guys so meh.

[Anti Hacker]

Well the first thing that springs to mind is the fact that you can't prove ANYTHING. Present anything as a fact and I can say that there is a scenario in which it could be false. It would be highly unlikely, but not impossible. So therefore you can't really take anything as being 100% the truth.

Including religion! Even if science cannot prove anything, why pick... Say, the 20% chance to place your belief in rather than the 80%? It makes no sense. Why pick the lowest factor and present it as the most likely scenario? The answer is because the 20% would fit that persons life better, or seem more comfortable to them. Not because it's true, or even likely to be true.

And also, people are FAR too against religion. I mean... even if you don't happen to believe in it, why mock people who do?

I was religious for years, I even got confirmed. I have insider perspective so don't pull that card on me!

And I mock nothing, it's not my fault if religion can be presented as ridiculing itself it should be constructed more solidly.

And even if I were mocking religion, so what? In life you do not mock peoples, you mock the beliefs or theologies. This stops racism and conflict.

EXAMPLE

You don't go around labelling a people, for instance - the Blacks, Jews or other.

However, if you do disagree with something that you percieve to be ridiculous, you have a right to mock it.

I openly mock the ideals of the Ku Klux Klan who are indeed a certain religious faction. Would you have me respect that they like to kill Blacks for no reason? I don't think so!

I think that most guys just don't understand girls and how they think AT ALL. I do, generally.

Hrmmm someone is putting themself on a pedestal! I don't think anyone truly understands how anyone else works, male or female. Maybe people are just too complex to unravel into a "if I do this, they do that" - reaction puzzle.

[Little Killer]

OK. THEORY #1:

I guess religion is the wrong way to think. . . since we fight about it all the time. *COUGH!* Anti *COUGH!* So, everyone, we need to all just stop believing in stuff. . . Wait a minute! Actually that's a bunch of crap!

Anti, cummon! You believe in stuff. SCIENCE, for one thing. There is your faith! You believe in that. . . so you are in fact not telling us the truth about your "not having faith."

[Anti Hacker]

As I said earlier, the difference is believing what is likely over what you would want to be likely. I have many religious friends, and much of my family are religious. I don't really care who is religious and who's not. I just believe I have the right to express my views on religion, if some religious people have the right to disrespect me and tell me that "You're going to hell!"

Respect is mutual, and when all religion respects my ways of doing things... Then I'll give all religion respect. And since there will always be fundamental loonies about, I don't see that day coming any time soon!

Maybe I just have issues with fundamentalists really, I have no problem with liberals or even traditionalists. I reckon' liberal Buddhism is pretty awesome. Not so into the ways of the fundamental Muslims though, they actually believe I deserve to die just for not being born one of them. However that again is just fundamentalists.

In short Liberalism>Fundamentalism


... Although I still think most religion is more of a social gathering than an actual belief.

[Little Killer]

Yes. What we all need: R-E-S-P-E-C-T! Tell Me What It Means To Me!

OK. I'm back from my little world. Yes we need to respect others to get us out of wars, riots, fights, etc. Yet, we aren't perfect. . . or are we? Maybe we have perfect minds, but imperfect actions! Or visa versa. I'M ON TO SOMETHING!

[Cye Zero]

Humans aren't perfect, they some people need a reason to wake up in the morning. That's why people have religions it can give us hope or scare us into doing good. I do admit some religions are pretty wierd and may not make sence. But that's what they believe in and is also the cause of many wars and battles, over a small disagreement. That's why religion is one of the many topics you have to be discret about.

[nomercy]

"Man is avarice, therefore is he man."

We believe whatever we want to, and damn the rest. Everyone has a faith in something, but it doesn't always constitute as something groundbreaking.

With want of a better example, take me. I have faith in very little apart from things I know from first-hand experience, and the people I trust completely and utterly, even so far as to offer my life to keep them from harm. I have faith in my fighting abilities, that they shall be used by me only to protect others. But I'm not stupid. One of my favourite sayings is "You're but a man." Nobody is immortal, nobody is invincible. Keeping that in mind keeps me from taking huge risks and making brash decisions that are brought forth through anger and rage.

The reason we stay alive, our purpose, is to discover the purpose of our lives. That's what I think, and that's the purpose of the world. When it's served it's given purpose, it will fade away.

[Little Killer]

Very true Nomercy. We all wonder what that is. . . IT IS NOT 42! Maybe if we answered the question though, life would cease to exist. We are probable not supposed to know that.

When I die, I believe I will go to a different galaxy, in some weird dimension. That always makes me not afraid to die. Yet, I want to live a long life. I feel needed here.

EVERYONE has a purpose in life. Don't think you are just unimportant, for someone in this small world will need you to bring them into the light.

[Teh EkwEE]

So in actual fact science could prove it, if that were done

It wasn't harsh, it was just the truth. I believe Karl Marx said it best:



The dominating classes in any society use religion to justify the suffering of the dominated. They also use it to show that the suffering will be rewarded in the non-existant "afterlife".

The dominated, seeing no easy way out of their situation, likely agree with this. They believe that they will be rewarded and thus their own lives do not seem as bad.

Or, radical factions among the opressed twist religion to their own purposes for resistance, claiming that one day a "God" will save them from opression, or that the opressed in the afterlife will become the dominant ones.

The very nature of religion is, yes, to explain the unexplainable. But also to justify that which should not be justified.

By the very fact that not all religions are the same, and by the very fact that religion exists most everywhere in some form, we can see that it is hypocritical and little more.

People will believe what they want to believe, not what is most likely. Myself I find this rather absurd, I could never force myself to believe in that which is obviously the invention of mans mind.

As for faith? People say I lack faith. But all faith means to me is blind following. So yes, I lack the desire to blindly follow. Making a positive word for a negative condition of the mind will not save religion!

Speaketh my brother! Say it loud, say it proud!....

This isn't turning into a relgious debate, we're merely saying, to justify your....horribly, horribly concieved, weed induced theory of the world is null and void because you thought it up. It has no basis. God has more of a valid claim to being right because millions of people believe in it... =/