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[Possible Spoiler] What's the connection between Zoke, Donoph & Flowen?
#1
Hi,
Just some questions that have been bugging me for years, I have never really had the opportunity to ask them. Considering PSO is slowly being phased out now, I was thinking that now is the time for a few answers:

1) What is the connection between Donoph, Flowen and Zoke?

(reason why I ask this question is due to a little secret that can be found in 'retired hunter' question. After Donoph Baz dies, you speak to his daughter on Pioneer 2, I believe Alicia and a port to forest 2 opens, heading near to the river in forest 2, there is a message from Flowen himself)

Here is the message left behind [possible spoiler]


"Heathcliff Flowen"
"...W...Died, year 084,
Pioneer 1 Army..."

The message...

"I think I can guess who might be listening to this...
I'm going to leave you all now.
It's sad we weren't able to see each other again.
But I guess that was our destiny.
It's very peaceful here. But it's very boring because it's peaceful.
Donoph... this is not the place for you. Especially, for you...
Ha ha ha.
My daughter will take care of you. Don't cause any problems, old man.
You've been her favourite uncle ever since she was a child.
I can only imagine those good old days...
And Zoke, I know you want 'out,' but don't do anything stupid.
You're so stubborn. You haven't changed over the years.
Well... I did some things that I'm not really proud of...
Well, those days are long gone. I hope you've learned to forgive me.
Don't let that girl worry too much about.
There's so much I want to say, but I guess I better wrap it up for now.
See you soon, on the other side.
...
... ...
... ... ..."
End message.


-> That message kinda freaked me out when I first went through that quest, simply because I didnt expect such a deep message to be found so deeply in the game. It's almost like a treat for those who uncovered it.

Where they just friends? Or do they have a link i.e. were they all originally on pioneer 1? Were they all training partners from a young age? Are they blood related?

Flowens message apologised to Zoke, and joked about Donoph, so they all must have had a close relationship.

1b) Can anyone develop on what Flowen was 'sorry about' to Zoke? (I'm not sure if we are ever given the answer to this question) He said he wasn't proud of something, did he do something to upset Zoke then?

1c)
''My daughter will take care of you. Don't cause any problems, old man.
You've been her favourite uncle ever since she was a child.''

-> Anyone have ideas as to who Flowens 'daughter' is?? I presume the 'uncle' thing is a term of affection as opposed to Flowen being Donophs Brother? Can anyone shed any light on this quote?

1d)
''Well, those days are long gone. I hope you've learned to forgive me.
Don't let that girl worry too much about.''

-> Who is this girl Flowen is referring to in relation to Zoke???

2) How did these hunters get their legendary status. In other words, why is such a big thing made about these characters in PSO? Did they have their own achievements, and if so, could anyone name them please?

3) I heard that Zoke was particularly unique. Didn't he used swords or something instead of guns? What was his preferred weapon?

4) Did Donoph, Zoke or Flowen have any particular role in the pioneer project? Or where they just hunters involved into searching the planet for life etc?

I hope this thread has been of some interest to you all, and hopefully brought back a few memories.

I hope some of you NPC experts out there can help to answer my questions. I will be very grateful indeed.
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#2
You're reading_luke on PSOWorld, right? =P Hi! I agree with what Splash has said there (but I'll pretend I didn't see his/her post and answer this by myself), although I can't see what relationship Alicia has with Zoke, so the second girl would probably be Shino.

Some quotes from Alicia Baz from Retired Hunter quest Wrote:You were with Donoph. You don't have to be secretive with me. His best friend was on "Pioneer 1". Heathcliff. They were like brothers. So I think Donoph wanted to stand on the same ground with him.
...
Heath adopted me. He didn't want to get on board Pioneer 1... He refused orders to leave with Pioneer 1 several times. When he was finally forced to go, he told me just before he left that evolution and damnation may be two sides of the same coin.
1b --I don't think he was sorry about anything to Zoke. The thing he wasn't proud of is probably leaving Alicia behind when he set off on Pioneer 1.

1c --So Flowen is Alicia's adoptive father, but when he left on Pioneer 1 he left Alicia to his best friend, Donoph. That was how Alicia inherited Donoph's surname, Baz.

1d --Shino? Not sure.

2 -- Heathcliff Flowen made the red weapons, Zoke Miyama owned 3 out of 4 legendary swords (Sange, Kamui, Agito, Yasha), Donoph Baz owned the DB weapons.

3 -- Katanas. He looks like a RAmar though. (Incidentally, his father, Nef Miyama, is a FOmar with orange hair and green robes. He invented the Miyama style of sword fighting Smile)

4 -- ...Forgot! If only you asked this question three years ago. Tongue
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#3
4) No, not really. Although I presume Flowen had some role in the military undertakings of Pioneer 1.

Zoke was just a guy with some rather good weaponry, and Donphan was the evolution of Phanpy.

Or Heathcliff's best mate. You decide. >_>
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Mirinee Wrote:You're reading_luke on PSOWorld, right? =P Hi! I agree with what Splash has said there (but I'll pretend I didn't see his/her post and answer this by myself), although I can't see what relationship Alicia has with Zoke, so the second girl would probably be Shino.

1b --I don't think he was sorry about anything to Zoke. The thing he wasn't proud of is probably leaving Alicia behind when he set off on Pioneer 1.

1c --So Flowen is Alicia's adoptive father, but when he left on Pioneer 1 he left Alicia to his best friend, Donoph. That was how Alicia inherited Donoph's surname, Baz.

1d --Shino? Not sure.

2 -- Heathcliff Flowen made the red weapons, Zoke Miyama owned 3 out of 4 legendary swords (Sange, Kamui, Agito, Yasha), Donoph Baz owned the DB weapons.

3 -- Katanas. He looks like a RAmar though. (Incidentally, his father, Nef Miyama, is a FOmar with orange hair and green robes. He invented the Miyama style of sword fighting Smile)

4 -- ...Forgot! If only you asked this question three years ago. Tongue

Thanks, just a few questions in response:

Who is Shino? (and where did you find out that info?)

How do you know that Nef Miyama is Zoke's father? Does it mention it in PSO? Does his father appear in a certain quest, or is his name just mentioned?
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#5
Reigast Wrote:4) No, not really. Although I presume Flowen had some role in the military undertakings of Pioneer 1.

Zoke was just a guy with some rather good weaponry, and Donphan was the evolution of Phanpy.

Or Heathcliff's best mate. You decide. >_>

You said Donoph was the evolution of Phanpy??

What is Phanpy exactly? Are we told of it in PSO?
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#6
LOL.
Donphan is a Pokemon.
As is Phanpy.
You missed the joke. Sorry for any confusion caused.
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#7
theepw Wrote:Thanks, just a few questions in response:

Who is Shino? (and where did you find out that info?)

How do you know that Nef Miyama is Zoke's father? Does it mention it in PSO? Does his father appear in a certain quest, or is his name just mentioned?

...Shino is Zoke's android. And Nef Miyama, I'm not sure about that, but you find out more of it in PSO epIII, I think.
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#8
... I burst out laughing when I read Reigast's Donphan/Phanpy thing, and then, "are we told of it in PSO"... LOL, sorry, please ignore me!

Ok, I only thought it was Shino because I couldn't think of anyone else that Zoke would know.

Play Zoke's quest, Seek My Master, to find out about Shino. Shino the RAcaseal is the Miyama family's servant. She has been serving them for three generations. She's a very loyal android. In that quest, she goes to search for Zoke, who was exploring Ruins. He was killed by monsters, and just before he died, he set Shino free.

It is mentioned that Nef is Zoke's father in PSO, but it's part of a download quest for Episode II. The quest is called "Blue Star Memories" and it's about Nef Miyama asking you to help his two apprentices (Break and Orland). They are also story characters in Episode III, and you get to find out a bit more about them, as nomercy correctly states. One of the characters in EpIII also has a connection to Flowen... (Personally I don't think the Nef Miyama story is very well linked to the Episode I story. They never mention him in Ep I. Nef's like a bad excuse for a sequel. I wouldn't worry much about him to understand more about Zoke.)

Please don't double post. Use "Edit" button instead. Oh wait, I'm not a member of staff. I'm just being mean. Tongue
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#9
That's what I was trying to explain.*applauds Mir's epIII knowledge*
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#10
Hang on. Wasn't Nef Miyama (Remiltos) a kid?!
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