decswxaqz Wrote:SirTom is doing quite a good explaining my ideas heheh.
With the information they had (ie weapons of mass destruction) then I feel it was a legit reason to go to war. But now the information has proved to be rushed/falsified, Blair should say a clear sorry, and that we did use false information.
But on the flip side, why do you really need an excuse to get rid of someone who persecutes his own people. Of course, we can't really talk, living thousands of miles away. We don't REALLY know what's going on, apart from the media which won't give a clear, unbiased opinion. Some people liked Sadaam, some didn't. Unless you live there, you can't get a clear picture.
in Mr Blair's defence (i am a card holding member of the party) at the time, the UK's biggest Allie and friend had already made their decision, and mr B made a decision (THAT WAS APPROVED BY PARLIAMENT!!!!) with the evidence he was given, so he could either leave his allies out in the dark or he could support them knowing at thattime that saddam could do all sorts of damage with nucleat weapons.
further more, nuclear testing kits HAVE been found in Iraq but the british media are two embarrassed to broadcast the news, especially the corrupt fat cats at the BBC.
We are a country in our own right. We don't need to follow Bush/America around like a lap dog. If we don't agree with their policy we don't have to do it. Simple as that. Otherwise we are a whipping country that deserves everything we get.
Even if Saddam had WMD, who said he would use them? Russia had them in the Cold War and didn't. They were seen as a threat.
And how do you know they have been found? If they have, then someone must have told you (ie news which means the news did know and told) or it was from your party, which means they could be lying/slightly biased (ie kits that COULD be nuclear testing kits were found).
decswxaqz Wrote:We are a country in our own right. We don't need to follow Bush/America around like a lap dog. If we don't agree with their policy we don't have to do it. Simple as that. Otherwise we are a whipping country that deserves everything we get.
Even if Saddam had WMD, who said he would use them? Russia had them in the Cold War and didn't. They were seen as a threat.
And how do you know they have been found? If they have, then someone must have told you (ie news which means the news did know and told) or it was from your party, which means they could be lying/slightly biased (ie kits that COULD be nuclear testing kits were found).
Thats exactly what i mean, there just wasnt enough evidence to launch an attack of that scale. I do beleive that something needed to be done, but surely there must have been some other way than starting a war. I dont blame Tony Blair though, he was put under a lot of pressure to do something, and i think that most people would have done the same thing despite what they say.
I agree DKgamer. For all the "Oh we would have taken more time", "We wouldn't have gone to war", the fact of the matter is, there probably would have due to pressure. Americans wanted revenge (can't think of calmer/nicer word for it) about 9/11. Bush had to be seen taking action. Yes he might have done it recklessly, but at least he was doing something. And in the UK, Michael Howard (think that's the guy on main opposition) said he wouldn't have gone to war with the documentation Blair had. He probably would have due to pressure in our country and diplomatic pressure from America.
decswxaqz Wrote:I agree DKgamer. For all the "Oh we would have taken more time", "We wouldn't have gone to war", the fact of the matter is, there probably would have due to pressure. Americans wanted revenge (can't think of calmer/nicer word for it) about 9/11. Bush had to be seen taking action. Yes he might have done it recklessly, but at least he was doing something. And in the UK, Michael Howard (think that's the guy on main opposition) said he wouldn't have gone to war with the documentation Blair had. He probably would have due to pressure in our country and diplomatic pressure from America.
michael howard - lobbyed the torie party to vote for a war in Iraq. Mr howard and his party supported the government and knew as much about the war as the government - that man changes faster than the wind
dont trust a tory
to tell you the truth, anyone opposed to it is illogical and irresponsible
. Genocide is a world crime therefore Sadam should of been taken out by the United Nations for what he did to the Kurds and to his own people long before this war. Too bad they kept giving him a slap on the wrist and letting him run around, some of those lives could have been saved. And, its not about the World Trade Center attack, its against all terrorism, thus the name, The War of Terror. Please don't argue and try to tell me Al-quaida (spelling?) is the only terrorist organization. You don't take out the big fish and leave the little fish, you take them all out. I'm disgusted how the UN is not upholding International and Planetary laws. As for weapons of mass destruction, The Inspectors probably only check in obvious places like in Sadam's bases and under his bed. Tell me, did they comb the entire desert looking for weapons. Under the sand? in other countries? You know, our friend Mr. Hussein had many many years to hide his weapons and believe me, he didn't just put then in his sand box behind his house
. Thank you for your time ^_~. Btw, forgive my little jokes, I just thought it sounded better with them
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I'm from Rantoul,IL. and i think the whole war was piontless! We were attacked by Afganastan terroists not iraq. it's not our job to remove government powers,that's the UN's job. and bush was just looking to start a war with someone.
mimas Wrote:George Bush was nuts to declare war, and Tony Blair was a f***ing idiot to have followed him like a dog. Which is why I want to see Tony Blair kicked out of Parliament, and the whole of Labour for that matter. Up the Lib Dems...
george bush SR. was also nuts and declared some pointless wars if i remember correctly i'd personally like to see the monster raving loonie party running the uk though
SirTom909 Wrote:up the lib dems? u mean a massive spending black hole (higher taxes) the libdems need to learn how to do simple math before they even consider looking for election, plus theyre leader needs to get off the bottle.
Higher taxes are a good thing. Without taxes we wouldn't get paid any wages.
This is all such a load of bullshit. The information we had suggested that we go to Iraq...but, we went underequipped, and undermanned. Bush even had advisors that TOLD him that we did not have the proper manpower...and ya know what Bush did? HE FIRED THE GUY!
It is pointless to bring up 9/11 anyway, because it was Al-Quida (sp?) that attacked the World Trade Center, NOT Iraq...and it was foolish to belive that Iraq was even involved, because Saddam and Osama are from two RIVAL factions of Muslims, they practicly want to kill each other, yet we say that they were helping each other plot against America...
My favorite word comes out once again: LOGIC