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question about berserk special - NetNomad - 06-11-2005

Sebastian Wrote:but actually imo the handicap is wasting meseta and not being able to charge anymore.
IMO if you use charge so often that you waste ALL your meseta, then you don't deserve to ever do such damage again... because it's practically impossible unless you pick up NOTHING. Ever.

Sebastian Wrote:but that just makes them good. they are cheap but still good, and cheap pwnage is still pwnage.
AR pwnage is also "still pwnage." This is not a point. ¬_¬

Sebastian Wrote:And same thing goes for rangers. they mow down everything with hardly any chance of getting hit (if youre getting hit from 50 ft. away you have problems) but i dont think rangers are cheap. so i dont know why charge vulcans would be.
Well, that's a very good question... why would anyone get hit from as far as rangers tend to stand? I mean it's not like they have a lot to worry about:

Hildelt Gizonde
Hildetorr Megid
Ob/Mil Lily Megid
Nano Dragon beams
Slime under-floor attacks
Gill/Dubchich lasres
Sinow blue/red jump attacks
Sinow blue mirror attack (since it spreads out so fast)
Baranz missiles
Delsaber jump attacks
All Gran Sorcerer attacks
Bringer charges and shots
Dark Gunner shots
Belra shots
Gibbon Gizonde
Gee needles (don't even try to tell me you keep track of every one of these things)
All Gi Gue attacks
Mericarol/Merikle/Mericus... rangers are ESPECIALLY vulnerable here because they tend to stand still in the tower
Del Lily Megid
Sinow berrill/spigell/zoa/zele jump and technique attacks
Deldepth technique attacks
Delbiter charges
Probably 3 or 4 enemies I missed

...ohhhh wait. ¬_¬

This isn't even taking into account boss attacks, the fact that a ranger who really wants to do damage usually has to stand within mechgun range, or the fact that not every room leaves you enough space to utilize the cheapness you claim that rangers have. If you think a ranger is safe from harm because they can have rifle range, go play PW4 and then talk to me again.

EDIT: Just noticed: you specifically said above that you've never played a ranger. Can't say I'm surprised.

question about berserk special - Sebastian - 06-11-2005

but most of those attacks (besides a few) are not hard to avoid. And look at hunters and forces. hunters get hit by everything. and in ult... with out support spells a force hit would almost be dead.

question about berserk special - A.S. - 06-11-2005

I see Charge as n00bish; cheapness and inaccuracy sucks. I love Berserk and expect FOs to heal me through the way and I also expect them to use Resta Merge (especially FOnewm and FOmar, FOnl and FOml should as well), if you have a FO that doesn't revive you after they use Berserk, you should prepare for a bad image.
Sebastian, Rangers get hit a lot. Especially a melee RA, but you will still get hit a lot when ranging:

Goran Whip
Pyro Goran's surrounding you
Detonator's whip (._.)
Ba Boota's Foie
Zu's ELT strike
Dorphon's laser / Grants (Eclair) or charge
Saint (all forms) Darvants
Desert traps
Astark's jump (maybe whip)

question about berserk special - Sebastian - 06-11-2005

but not nearly as much as fos/hu's

and i hate when people use berserk -.-. i heal them the first couple times but then if they're a newman/human i make them heal themselves. becuz it drains my tp...

question about berserk special - NetNomad - 06-11-2005

Sebastian Wrote:but most of those attacks (besides a few) are not hard to avoid. And look at hunters and forces. hunters get hit by everything. and in ult... with out support spells a force hit would almost be dead.
I want you to play a ranger in ultimate before you say bull like that again, please. You've specificaly said you don't use rangers... so how exactly do you know how often they get hit and by what?

Thanks for listing the ep4 enemies that have the same effect, A.S... cause, I sure wouldn't know em. But dude, you have to realize that FOs have strategies they like to follow too... their only job is not to follow YOU around and make sure YOU don't die. YOU are not the only player on the team, and you need to be respectful of the FO's strategy as well as your own... or IMO you don't deserve to be revived.

question about berserk special - Sebastian - 06-11-2005

cool. and how is a ra avoiding attacks any different than a hu? becuz on gc i did have a hunter in ult and yes, the attacks were ez to dodge. except some of the ep.2 and sorcerers

question about berserk special - whiteninja - 06-11-2005

Sebastian Wrote:but not nearly as much as fos/hu's
Actually, now that I think about it, a FO's level 30 techs have range that absolutely pwn Rifle range.

A.S. Wrote:expect FOs to heal me through the way and I also expect them to use Resta Merge (especially FOnewm and FOmar, FOnl and FOml should as well), if you have a FO that doesn't revive you after they use Berserk, you should prepare for a bad image.
Or you could prepare for the image of a Beserk abuser...

Soooooo anyway, how about that Beserk HP drainage percent?... pretty steep right? 25% of your current HP per hit. Can do more damage to you than it does to the enemy.

question about berserk special - Hrith - 06-11-2005

Sebastian Wrote:and i hate when people use berserk -.-. i heal them the first couple times but then if they're a newman/human i make them heal themselves. becuz it drains my tp...
what a terrible FO.

question about berserk special - NetNomad - 06-11-2005

I'd agree with you to a point, Kefka. I'll tell people that I'd rather they didn't do it so much and that I might stop eventually... usually it doesn't come to that. But unless you're playing PW# or cmode or some other really hard thing, a FO is not only support, and when I see someone berserking like that, the only message it sends to me is, "I intend for you to only be support." Some of us don't play that way; I support, just not exclusively.

question about berserk special - jarl - 06-11-2005

i totally disagree with you kefka. if that happened to me, i would completely ignore that person until they started using beserk more sparingly. there is no point in spending all your time healing people who just throw it back in my face, while they could just as easilyheal themselves. i would only heal them if they were in big trouble, but if they were surrounded by enemies, then used beserk there is NO WAY i would revive them. its there fault they died, not mine. i wouldv done my best but if theyre determined to try and kill themselves, cool. im not that determined to help them after.