well the reason I made a new post was because I got a pm saying that it is not allowed posting in topics older than one week.
once again it was JUSTICE in egypt not vengeance. the rest of the egyptians are as responsible for the deaths as phaoroah because they LET the deaths happen. they could have prevented it by objecting to phaoroah and they didn't. it would be like if you were in a room with a friend and they were going to kill somebody. you could tell your friend to stop and try and prevent them from doing it. however if you take no measures to prevent it from happening then you are just as responsible as the person who did it and you deserve to be punished. if somebody killed maybe i don't know 10 people from your family you'd want them dead as well. Pharoah probably killed millions. God tried to convince him with every other plague. he kept the israelites and made his own people suffer. the tenth plague barely convinced him. he even tried to take the israelites back afterwards. if evil people are not willing to repent then you have to do something. while I admit that some of the people that were killed were children I bet they were far from innocent
I'm not saying that what king richard did was justified I'm saying that NEITHER religion deserved to have the holy city to themselves. they should have just allowed each other to come and go as they please.
of course the things don't say "by god" if they did then the answer to who did this or that would be "God did it" so people don't give it the credit to God because if the answer was always God did it there would be no point in learning anything. also God didn't make any of the video games or computers. humans did. that is why they don't say by God.
Jesus chose to die FOR us. therefore WE are technically responsible. had We not fallen into sin he wouldn't have had to die.
he didn't destroy the world because he no longer had control of the people in it. he never HAD and probably never WILL have complete control over us. he did it becuase there were no good people left except for noah. who he let escape. God destroys people when thgey try to act like gods.. we are not Gods we are no more than dirt. that doesn't mean we aren't important but it Does mean that we cannot think any of us is any more important than the other.
yes there is good and there is bad but there is also a middle ground. sometimes you HAVE to do something. sometimes there is NO other choice. for example. say that your friend told you something private. if somebody asked you about the secret you would lie because you told your friend that you would keep it a secret. sometimes the goodness of doing something outweighs the badness. in those cases you usually do that thing. when you don't bad things happen a lot of the time.
I guess you are right that it is hard to justify killing the children in the promised land. I do not know how to yet so I won't try. i'm not saying what God did was evil though.
one more thing. if I were able to put enough proof on the table would you renounce darwinism? because if not then there is not much point in debating this much further. we both want to convince the other but I think that both of us are too stubborn to budge.
one other thing. of course the things that God did are untestable, undescribable and unameable mechanisms. you can't test things that a divine being did to make the entire world. otherwise it would be humanly possible to do those things. you can't DESCRIBE something that you can't understand. you can't really name something that you've never seen and hasn't been described. Why would a supernatural deity care if his/her methods are understandable by any but them? I guess this sort of goes for your side but it does the same for our side.
some humans do try to play God. it is a fact. Hitler did, amenhotep II also did. (this is the pharoah that most historians maintain was ruling when the ten plagues happened) Alexander the great and atilla the hun also did. History is filled with people who tried to play GOd and it never turned out well. atilla? dead and never found. Alexander the great? dead from an unkown illness, germ or something else along those line. hitler? dead. Amenhotep II? we've already discussed wwhat happened to his kingdom.
last thing. if there were no governments then nobody could EVER be brought to justice. it would be utter chaos without governments. the only "justice" that would exist would be vengeance which are two different things. I'm not saying that the governments we have are great. However they are better than none whatsoever. Also like I have previously stated. religion stops some people from doing evil things. without it there would be more evil. no matter how much people want it to a utopia can never exist. here are some of the main reasons. greed, gluttony,lust and wrath.
while I agree that somebody's earlier comment about relligion being the opiate of the masses oyu also have to admit that there would be chaos without governments and religion. while we haven't found the best type of government without them it would be chaos. some people only follow the law because they are afraid of going to jail. without governments those people wouldn't care. also the only way to get rid of governments would be to assassinate all the people who were in charge of them. while some of those leaders probably deserve it.
once again it was JUSTICE in egypt not vengeance. the rest of the egyptians are as responsible for the deaths as phaoroah because they LET the deaths happen. they could have prevented it by objecting to phaoroah and they didn't. it would be like if you were in a room with a friend and they were going to kill somebody. you could tell your friend to stop and try and prevent them from doing it. however if you take no measures to prevent it from happening then you are just as responsible as the person who did it and you deserve to be punished. if somebody killed maybe i don't know 10 people from your family you'd want them dead as well. Pharoah probably killed millions. God tried to convince him with every other plague. he kept the israelites and made his own people suffer. the tenth plague barely convinced him. he even tried to take the israelites back afterwards. if evil people are not willing to repent then you have to do something. while I admit that some of the people that were killed were children I bet they were far from innocent
I'm not saying that what king richard did was justified I'm saying that NEITHER religion deserved to have the holy city to themselves. they should have just allowed each other to come and go as they please.
of course the things don't say "by god" if they did then the answer to who did this or that would be "God did it" so people don't give it the credit to God because if the answer was always God did it there would be no point in learning anything. also God didn't make any of the video games or computers. humans did. that is why they don't say by God.
Jesus chose to die FOR us. therefore WE are technically responsible. had We not fallen into sin he wouldn't have had to die.
he didn't destroy the world because he no longer had control of the people in it. he never HAD and probably never WILL have complete control over us. he did it becuase there were no good people left except for noah. who he let escape. God destroys people when thgey try to act like gods.. we are not Gods we are no more than dirt. that doesn't mean we aren't important but it Does mean that we cannot think any of us is any more important than the other.
yes there is good and there is bad but there is also a middle ground. sometimes you HAVE to do something. sometimes there is NO other choice. for example. say that your friend told you something private. if somebody asked you about the secret you would lie because you told your friend that you would keep it a secret. sometimes the goodness of doing something outweighs the badness. in those cases you usually do that thing. when you don't bad things happen a lot of the time.
I guess you are right that it is hard to justify killing the children in the promised land. I do not know how to yet so I won't try. i'm not saying what God did was evil though.
one more thing. if I were able to put enough proof on the table would you renounce darwinism? because if not then there is not much point in debating this much further. we both want to convince the other but I think that both of us are too stubborn to budge.
one other thing. of course the things that God did are untestable, undescribable and unameable mechanisms. you can't test things that a divine being did to make the entire world. otherwise it would be humanly possible to do those things. you can't DESCRIBE something that you can't understand. you can't really name something that you've never seen and hasn't been described. Why would a supernatural deity care if his/her methods are understandable by any but them? I guess this sort of goes for your side but it does the same for our side.
some humans do try to play God. it is a fact. Hitler did, amenhotep II also did. (this is the pharoah that most historians maintain was ruling when the ten plagues happened) Alexander the great and atilla the hun also did. History is filled with people who tried to play GOd and it never turned out well. atilla? dead and never found. Alexander the great? dead from an unkown illness, germ or something else along those line. hitler? dead. Amenhotep II? we've already discussed wwhat happened to his kingdom.
last thing. if there were no governments then nobody could EVER be brought to justice. it would be utter chaos without governments. the only "justice" that would exist would be vengeance which are two different things. I'm not saying that the governments we have are great. However they are better than none whatsoever. Also like I have previously stated. religion stops some people from doing evil things. without it there would be more evil. no matter how much people want it to a utopia can never exist. here are some of the main reasons. greed, gluttony,lust and wrath.
while I agree that somebody's earlier comment about relligion being the opiate of the masses oyu also have to admit that there would be chaos without governments and religion. while we haven't found the best type of government without them it would be chaos. some people only follow the law because they are afraid of going to jail. without governments those people wouldn't care. also the only way to get rid of governments would be to assassinate all the people who were in charge of them. while some of those leaders probably deserve it.
RIP nomercy.