Challenge Mode etiquite

[Lionheart]

ummm dude i said that...ive said just that many time: Traps are essential and the JP prefer HUct HUcl and FOnl. go read my TA guide, you obviously didnt already.

[Omar]

Then why do you advise people who are new to challenge mode to use more difficult classes than is needed? I was just basing my comment on what you have written in this and as it is a sole sticky, I assumed it would be standalone? :S

[Edit: Having just read your TA guide, I see that you know what I posted above, but still can't see why you would suggest the more difficult classes to newbie cmode players...]

[Lionheart]

Rangers suck, do you ever see a JP TAing with one?? No you dont. Other than that, im suggesting the use of HUct, HUcl, and FOnl. All i do is bring up the good points of the others, ive never suggested them...

EDIT: in regards to the noobs starting off, they still shouldnt use RAs as they are the most difficult to use (ive done 2 of them), they lack in everything and unless they get a dim weapon, they just waste space as they cant kill anything. Their spot would be better filled with a HU/FO.

[Omar]

I aren't referring to your TA guide here. This is for discussion of your "introduction to cmode".

You seem to be avoiding my question about why it is you suggest for example, a HUmar over a HUcast even though it is much easier to play as a HUcast in cmode.

If a newbie were tagging along with cmode vets, then a RA would be a good idea so they can stay out of harms way. I didn't mention RAs being used for TAing, so aren't sure why you brought that up :S

[Lionheart]

ive never suggested the use of a HUmar over a HUct, i simply said ive opted for that. Never said "follow my example". And if you noticed the threads name its "etitquite" in other words, how you should act. This isnt a guide on how to play cmode necessarily. As far as RAs, i agree they help stay outta harms way, however, no team of vets is gonna want a RA because chances are theyre goin for a good time. Also, there are plenty of times where a RA has no room to run away and shoot, its close quarters and in those instances, the RAs are screwed unless theyre in the hands of an expert cmode player.

[Omar]

ive never suggested the use of a HUmar over a HUct, i simply said ive opted for that. Never said "follow my example". And if you noticed the threads name its "etitquite" in other words, how you should act. This isnt a guide on how to play cmode necessarily. As far as RAs, i agree they help stay outta harms way, however, no team of vets is gonna want a RA because chances are theyre goin for a good time. Also, there are plenty of times where a RA has no room to run away and shoot, its close quarters and in those instances, the RAs are screwed unless theyre in the hands of an expert cmode player.

That is true, but I was talking about friendly vets who are helping the person through cmode. I know my clan would rather help people who don't try meleeing the enemies.

Oh, I assumed they were in some order. In that case, I apologise, but still have a problem with your description of the RAcaseal and HUcast.

HUcast
Theyre iffy due to their extremely low accuracy but the highest strength and hp in the game comes in handy. Adequate defense and evade and again, the use of traps is very helpful. JP tend to use these because they know what theyre doing so i suggest you know the same before attempting this class.

You seem to be saying that HUcast is best advised for people who know how to use them, whereas your description of the HUmar is much more positive, yet as we just agreed, the HUcast is an easy class to play as! :S

[Hrith]

ive never suggested the use of a HUmar over a HUct, i simply said ive opted for that. Never said "follow my example". And if you noticed the threads name its "etitquite" in other words, how you should act. This isnt a guide on how to play cmode necessarily. As far as RAs, i agree they help stay outta harms way, however, no team of vets is gonna want a RA because chances are theyre goin for a good time. Also, there are plenty of times where a RA has no room to run away and shoot, its close quarters and in those instances, the RAs are screwed unless theyre in the hands of an expert cmode player.

RAs can be deadly, especially in Ep2 C-mode, with good specials on their weapons.
I once found a Shadow Lockgun with 60% hit in C7, I was a God with my RAcast, every monster dying in one 'special-special-special' combo.
And in Ep2C5, a friend of mine had a Devils's Railgun with his RAcaseal, halving HP of all mini-bosses definitely made the run easier, especially since the boss of Ep2C5, Epsilon, is not immune to Devil's

A perfect C-mode team will alway be:
HUcast
HUcaseal
RAcast/caseal
FOmarl

Non-droids besides FO are a worse option, not necessarily bad, but worse nonetheless.
And also, you need a RA in case of a map where you find lotsa RA only stuff, missing the opportunity to use a Devil's Railgun in Ep2C5 is a major waste.

[Lionheart]

well omar were reaching a concensus however the HUct is meant for better because, like all droids, if youre a noob, youll get hit too much and waste mates. Kefka, as i said, RAs are only good with Dim type weapons (however i did overlook shadow type weaps thanks for that) however you cannot rely on that alone because sometimes you never even find a weapon with that special on it (oftentimes i dont but that could just be me). And also as i said, any class can be useful in the hands of an expert (like me or omar or possibly yourself) however this guide (in junction with my TA guide) is for the noobs at this site and they wont know what theyre doing yet. However, some classes are still always more helpful than others and RAs are always not as useful as others. You were also wrong about the perfect team, especially in TA games more FOs are better to have and you only need 1 or 2 droids per team max (otherwise, traps are just wasted). having a HUm or a Newm is good because you can learn resta (after the FO has it of course) and that can save the FOs tp (as well as mates in the earlier C's). This guide was also written with Ep1 cmode in mind, not so much ep2 (though many of the rules still apply).

[Melfi]

Man, chill out. Lion's not tryin to be a pushover or nothin, just making suggetions. He's just saying you should use whatever you're good with. Don't freak out on 'im.

[Lionheart]

thanks melfi, appreciate the support. Oh and kefka unless you were making a Squall reference, call me by my name, its lionheart, not leonhart. I hope i dont have to spell that out again...