Challenge Mode etiquite

[Hrith]

well omar were reaching a concensus however the HUct is meant for better because, like all droids, if youre a noob, youll get hit too much and waste mates. Kefka, as i said, RAs are only good with Dim type weapons (however i did overlook shadow type weaps thanks for that) however you cannot rely on that alone because sometimes you never even find a weapon with that special on it (oftentimes i dont but that could just be me). And also as i said, any class can be useful in the hands of an expert (like me or omar or possibly yourself) however this guide (in junction with my TA guide) is for the noobs at this site and they wont know what theyre doing yet. However, some classes are still always more helpful than others and RAs are always not as useful as others. You were also wrong about the perfect team, especially in TA games more FOs are better to have and you only need 1 or 2 droids per team max (otherwise, traps are just wasted). having a HUm or a Newm is good because you can learn resta (after the FO has it of course) and that can save the FOs tp (as well as mates in the earlier C's). This guide was also written with Ep1 cmode in mind, not so much ep2 (though many of the rules still apply).

Two FOs in a C-mode team, that's one of the funniest thing I have read lately.
And especially since this is meant to help newbies.
Just go there: planetdreamcast.com/psoworld/viewforum.php?forum=17&4084
and try to explain to the C-mode experts there that three droids is a bad idea or that two FOs can be good, I'm looking forward to it, really.

I tell you clearly, it's easy, if you are new to C-mode, there are three things to know:
1) pick a droid, any is fine
2) do not attempt Episode 2
3) learn the maps

and you NEED a Ranger, because your team needs to be able to equip all possible weapons, although the Ranger is supposed to know about Damage Cancel, especially in Episode 2 or against bosses.

And about Ep2 C-mode : cannot see traps ? go home (except FO, obviously).

[decswxaqz]

Come on people. I don't want to have to close it due to flaming.

Everyone has their own opinions and preferences to how c-mode should be played, and this change again depending on the map.

Forest levels (IMHO) don't need a ranger. Of course they are handy for keeping Hildebears busy but still, it doesn't really need one. I'd prefer the typical 3 HUs, 1 FO.
Caves can be useful. Some traps and keeping Dragons and Assassins away. Although Rangers attacking the Dragons whilst they are in the air (on my side, maybe they landed due to lag on yours) and won't let them down so fighters can attack does get annoying .
Mines they are pretty much necessary. Bringing Canadines and such like down. I'd try and replace one for the boss though maye *-)
Ruins.... lots of traps but again, I'd like to have another HU or FO.

On the aspect of droids. I find them handy. Traps certainly are useful for the large enemies. But you can't underestimate a human/newearl. The ability to have a second mage can be highly useful. You have a spare store of TP if the mage is having to conserve theirs. You can't argue that a second (part-time I might add) force in Caves killing Pan Arms and Dragons is very handy.

I'd have to go either way on the issue of 2 forces. I can understand it, but if you don't get lucky on some maps, you'll be two party members down if you don't find TP and there are only a limited number of dolls to share between you. Even though you said two forces for C2 somewhere (I think, sorry if you didn't), I'd have to disagree because it's so long. Never tried it so it could work
Of course, I've never tried TA, just normal c-mode. But I've done it a few times to know what I'm talking about

Let's not flame(bait) people.

[Omar]

How are you defining flames decs? I have yet to see any direct flames or flamebait :S

So far kef and myself have given the more widely held views by cmode veterans in an attempt at getting the official cmode newbie topic here to be as helpful/accurate as possible.

[Hrith]

You do know I mean no disrespect, decswxaqz, but people like me, Jazhara, VulpesMundi, Auracom and Rena-ko have spent a lot of TIME writing accurate C-mode guides.

C-mode is not a matter of opinion, there are facts.
Sure you can get an S-Rank with any team, but we were discussing TA.

I'm not flaming Lionheart, let alone flamebaiting, but he is spreading inaccurate info over your site, and I cannot stand that.

His opinion is sure welcome, but there are facts to PSO, and I will gladly help anyone who requires my help.

I am not trying to bring flames or anything to your site, I am just bringing accurate information.

[Lionheart]

im not spreading inaccurate info, ive been playing cmode with JP for almost a year. YOU are the one who obviously knows nothing of TA otherwise youd know the best TA team for c2 is 4 FOs (ask ANY JP and being as they are the experts, you cant trust any other opinions). If youre so good, whats your srank time? If its better than mine, ill actually put some weight in your opinions. If not then obviously i know better and my info will be held true. Any JP will tell you FOs are the most useful class for any TA game and that RAs are next to useless. Decs is right though, in a noob game in the mines, they can be useful (though a FOs zonde will bring them down as well as doing insane amounts of damage). Kefka is right decs, Cmode is facts and seeing as ive been playing with the experts at playing the best for a long time now, i think i know just a little more than kefka. Oh and i continually bring up TA because thats the elite, you start off playing cmode to get ready for TA so TA teams are what you base your noob team on (in some instances, obviously not the 4FOs team of c2) because thats the best team to get a good time and even if youre not good yet, youll get through the easiest and fastest with that team (unless its a special circumstance like the 4FOs of c2 that i mentioned before).

[Hrith]

My best time is 3'44 with my HUcast, but on Dreamcast which was a lot more difficult than NGC.

And I have always played with JP players (Miranda 11 on DC, Alcyone 06 on NGC) and I now know why they resent "E" players so much, because of arrogant western players who know so little about the game.

Bring a HUnewearl/RAmar/RAmarl to C-mode TA team and I can assure you people will shun you.
Hit the same monster that another player is hitting in a TA team, and I can assure you players will shun you, or even d/c during the game, especially if you are a Ranger.

So few people know of damage cancel, and I do think it is the main reason why so many JP players avoid us.

4 FOs for Ep1C2 ? that is true, but I got an excellent time with a 3HU/1FO team, I think it was 19 minutes, but my DC is in France, and I cannot check for sure.
But you would need to get an excellent map (which includes lotsa fluids) and 4 excellent players, then yeah 4 FO might do an excellent job since they can take out monsters the fastest in c2/c3/c4 (except boss).

And one more thing, it is a lot more difficult to find a good FO for C-mode than a good HU/RA, I'd rather take the odds at finding a weapon with excellent % or special instead, especially on NGC, where they are so common and useful.

But I do insist that newbies are way better off with a HUcaseal or a RAcast, by far the 2 easiest chars to take thru C-mode, Ep1 and 2 alike.

[Lionheart]

whoa the first post that you didnt immediately attack me, i must say im impressed, now that were being civilized...3'44, not bad not bad, not outside of my bounds but as of now i havent attained it so ill admit your skill. However you are by no stretch of the imagination more knowledgable than me just because of that. All the stuff you said the JP would shun you for i wholeheartedly agree with (ive even said some of them myself). Most JP know me now and id even go so far as to say they semi-respect me because i DO know the damage cancel and delay attack/lag combo (whatever you wanna call it), and ive warned against attacking the same monster as it wastes manpower. Ive intentionally learned a good bit of japanese just so i could speak to the JP in their language to show i actually respect them/their culture enough to try and learn to communicate with them. In any case, probably nobody at this site will ever bother to attain our level of cmode playing so the noob guide is of more importance.

[Orphen]

Sorry, but what is TA?

[Lionheart]

Time Attack.

[Orphen]

Time Attack.

Yeah, I just realized that as soon as I posted. XD