question about berserk special

[Sebastian]

imo i find berserk abusers just as noobish as charge abusers.

mostly becuz charge abusers (well, i dont know how they are noobish ) but berserk abusers mow down things just as much as charge and then are like "ZOMG WTF HEAL ME WHAT ARE YOU RETARDED BECUZ IM A RAMARL WITH LVL 20 RESTA AND CANT HEAL MYSELF!!!11"

and sometimes people use berserk. ill be in a different room and theyll w8 outside the room and expect me to walk all the way over there to heal them and run back to what i was doing like 5 times. especially if they arent androids. imo if you are human and the force is not in same room (i usually dont travel with team becuz they steal teh rares...) they should heal themselves. :l

[A.S.]

Thing is, Kefka, you've just basically told us the highest-priority scenario once again; the game played to perfection. Some of us don't choose to play the game "perfect;" some of us just enjoy experimenting and having fun with it. FOs should still keep their support techs cast when required... and yes, healing IS the FO's job... but following around selfish people who try to mow down enemies as if it were their last day alive is NOT the FO's job.

In Blue Burst, you lose a lot of experience (I lost 100000 once with my L140 RAml in one death) if you die. When you have a FO on your team, regardless of the FO is a FOmar or FOnewm, it's annoying when I see them damage enemies and heal less. I expect Resta Merge on all FOs in all situations (while I might make exceptions for FOnls and FOmls.) There are many situations while playing with my HUcast who uses Freeze / Confuse Traps excessivly, and I get killed so often, then laugh in horror because my HUcast is a better support than a FOmar. Experiment at someone's risk in wasting their two or three weeks trying to get to L200, all because you prefer Gifoie > Resta.

[jarl]

In Blue Burst, you lose a lot of experience (I lost 100000 once with my L140 RAml in one death) if you die. When you have a FO on your team, regardless of the FO is a FOmar or FOnewm, it's annoying when I see them damage enemies and heal less. I expect Resta Merge on all FOs in all situations (while I might make exceptions for FOnls and FOmls.) There are many situations while playing with my HUcast who uses Freeze / Confuse Traps excessivly, and I get killed so often, then laugh in horror because my HUcast is a better support than a FOmar. Experiment at someone's risk in wasting their two or three weeks trying to get to L200, all because you prefer Gifoie > Resta.

why? what makes you think you have any right ordering a FO to play the game how YOU want it to be played? everyone is unique, if you want to abuse beserk fine, but some sensible people will just laugh and tell you to resta yourself, and stop being such a selfish dick.


and as for resta merge on all forces, WTF?? that is the most ridiculous thing ive ever heard. im doing ruins ATM with my FO, and if i dont have a gd shield on then id be screwed. resta merge ISNT a good shield, and so you are now asking the fo to spend 2 or 3 weeks of their time lvling up to lvl 200 because some selfish asswipe reckons that he is right, everyone should cater for his every need and desire and if that means the FO has his/her safety jeopardised thats fine because theyre being healed, then when the FO dies and no-one has any moons (after all, FO's should have reverser as 'a' so there is no confusion over where it is) and they have to go back, how does that make them feel? the FO is a person that pays whatever it is a month, so respect them and let them play the game how they want, even if it isnt what you want and be prepared to heal yourself every now and then.
I play multi offline, and a good example was today- it was me (fonewearl) and a hucaseal friend, going through mine and we were doing well, but he knew that he would have to heal every now and then because i got caught up in other things- i was getting mullered by 6 gilchics, he knew that i wouldnt have time to do much but rafoie+jellen, so healed himself. i would heal him whenever possible, but he didnt expect me to be available to heal every second and therefor planned around that. thats what beserkers should do


p.s- if i seemed angry here its because i am VERY pissed off. dont ask, but basically none of the above was aimed at anyone, and if you feel insulted you shouldnt be, it was aimed at FO abusers (!) in general, not at whiteninja/kefka/sebastien, etc.

[Makiro]

and if i dont have a gd shield on then id be screwed. resta merge ISNT a good shield, and so you are now asking the fo to spend 2 or 3 weeks of their time lvling up to lvl 200 because some selfish asswipe reckons that he is right

Yes, because FOs are for tanking and taking hits! ;o

[Sebastian]

biggest fight ever in the history of ragol.co.uk? lol?

and, A.S., i understand how aggrivating that would be to lose that much exp and not being able to regain it for a couple days. but a force fights also. and if they had too wear weak resta merges *and maybe killed* and resta you becuz youre getting slaughtered while they're resta'ing you they might get blindsided by a tallow (and having such a weak shield) die... then they will have to spend the couple days lvling and not you. So who would you rather have losing exp? you or him? if you had the least bit of sympathy you would say you.... but whatever floats youre boat.

[NetNomad]

In Blue Burst, you lose a lot of experience (I lost 100000 once with my L140 RAml in one death) if you die. When you have a FO on your team, regardless of the FO is a FOmar or FOnewm, it's annoying when I see them damage enemies and heal less. I expect Resta Merge on all FOs in all situations (while I might make exceptions for FOnls and FOmls.) There are many situations while playing with my HUcast who uses Freeze / Confuse Traps excessivly, and I get killed so often, then laugh in horror because my HUcast is a better support than a FOmar. Experiment at someone's risk in wasting their two or three weeks trying to get to L200, all because you prefer Gifoie > Resta.

Re-read my post. I specifically said I resta when necessary. I only put it out of my pattern because it's not part of a set pattern; it needs to be done at any given time, and yes, a FO needs to be aware of that.

However, consider this: if it's such a problem in Blue Burst to die, then how about this: don't put yourself at risk! Even with a "good FO," you WILL still die occasionally because there's no way for you to signal the FO when you will and will not be berserking (unless the FO were to assume you were berserking every second and just mash the resta button, which is just the worst). If you're good enough with berserk, you can figure out (a) when to use it and when not to, and (b) what enemies you shouldn't use it on. Berserk was made to be the riskiest special in the game... it just so happens that a number of people have been perfecting this "screw the FO over in the interests of my power" strategy. It makes berserk almost as bad as charge... perhaps even worse, in the case of such a FO that you will make follow you around (and this isn't even counting the assumption that the FO won't get hit and die in the process from all the standing still and mashing resta).

Here's an idea. Instead of looking for the quickest, cheapest, and least-risk ways to do something, why not just play the game without these handicaps?? Are we such cowards?

[whiteninja]

Hey, people.... PSO... 'tis just a game. Have fun with it. Don't make it your life's obsession. Enjoy it. Don't make it a chore. Play it how you want, and with anyone who wants to play with you. If that is only a few people, then so be it. Just have fun. That's what the $8.95/mo is for. It's not to buy the ability to abuse Charge, nor Beserk, nor FO's, nor to be a lazy a** FO, nor never do any damage without Charge or Beserk; the $8.95/mo is buying you the ability to play with friends wherever they may be, and to have fun. So, instead of arguing about how to play in the way that makes the game the least fun, and most like a chore, why not just play it and enjoy it?

If you really want a thread discussing on whether or not FO's should be used as support slaves, or uber-nukers, then make a new thread. This is so off the topic of "How much HP does Beserk drain?"

[Sebastian]

n _ n.

but i enjoy this o so much...

[Hrith]

FOs not using Resta Merge (any FO, but only in difficult areas, or areas with huge rooms like Crater) are bad FOs.

No one is forcing you to be a good FO, that's true, but if you want friends, you better be, because there are a lot of good FOs, that know their job and do it without whining, and HU/RA will want to play with them instead.

No one is being selfish by asking you to heal or wear Resta Merge, you just have to, it's your job. You do not like that? do not pick a FO. Also FOmar and FOnewm have the same role as the fermales, no excuse on the Resta range.

Whiteninja, there can be bad Berserk users (lol, Seabed), but I definitely ain't one.

And Jarl, watch your language, this debate can get hot, it's ok; flames and flamebaiting, or general bad attitude will result in a lock (and/or red lettering, as Tammy puts it >_>).


Edit: You seem to forget something, I have a Lv 191 FOnewearl, 182 FOmarl and 158 FOmar.

[jarl]

there can be bad Berserk users (lol, Seabed)

oww!


ok: someone said somthing about a FO taking the hits. they dont, BUT if an enemy does get past, then they DO take the hit and if they are underlvled for the area (which i think most are) then they stand a very high chance of dieing with a weak shield on. what about boss battles? are you going to make a FO put up with 0,0,0, against the ice/fire gradon when they could have 26/30/27 or something like that? whats the point with that? FO's should heal, its true but they do NOT have to heal all the time, and use the best equipment to do that, though they might. i mean, 2-6 DFP? who wants that?

in short, i think the FO should heal but the other people should to prepared to heal themselves if the FO is tied up, or if they are abusing the FO.