question about berserk special

[NetNomad]

FOs not using Resta Merge (any FO, but only in difficult areas, or areas with huge rooms like Crater) are bad FOs.

No one is being selfish by asking you to heal or wear Resta Merge, you just have to, it's your job. You do not like that? do not pick a FO. Also FOmar and FOnewm have the same role as the fermales, no excuse on the Resta range.

"Only in difficult areas" seems to be the operative term, and in that sense I would agree; should I ever take my FOnewm to Ruins/CCA/Seabed, I'd definitely switch to the Resta merge, because there's no way I'd do much realistic tech damage anyway.

No one is forcing you to be a good FO, that's true, but if you want friends, you better be, because there are a lot of good FOs, that know their job and do it without whining, and HU/RA will want to play with them instead.

Edit: You seem to forget something, I have a Lv 191 FOnewearl, 182 FOmarl and 158 FOmar.

You seem to be assuming that "all HU/RA" means the crowd that usually plays with you. Hey, I know, I've even seen a few of them in the last few days you still played GC. Whether or not you like people calling you a "god," people do tend to flock around you and the others. But this really isn't the large percentage of PSO players.

And no offense to you, but levels aren't really important in debates. I could have five Level 200 characters and still be wrong about something. We all know you have a boatload of high-leveled characters and a disturbing amount of free time on your hands. (lv186 at least on BB with a Guld Milla... since your last post in the findings thread, just... wow. XD)

Whiteninja, there can be bad Berserk users (lol, Seabed), but I definitely ain't one.

I'm glad you'd agree there's a difference. But what would you call a "bad" berserk user?

[jarl]

someone that zerks in seabed... pw4 zerk abuser the list goes on lol.

[Ignignokt]

Wow....I never thought a simple question like that would ignite such a debate. I never even use berzerk seeing as I'm offline/single mode only, and using a RAcast. It seems to be a pretty hot topic for those online/multi users though, so you know...rock on!

[Fabo Craven]

My thoughts:
Offline Single Mode:Have to use Techs(too much of a good thing may be bad, but i dont think HP is like that)
Offline Multi Mode:Can use techs but needs to keep an eye on allies HP.
Online Multi Mode:Barely do any damage with techs(stupid high resistances<_<) so Fos are almost forced to use exclusivly j/z/s/d/r.

[NetNomad]

FOs CAN do decent damage with their techs... you have to have a decent amount of MST in units, materials and/or mag levels, and have things that boost your techs. For instance, in easy areas, my FOnewm will cast Gifoie a few times, or Gizonde on the appropriate enemies (or I skip right to Rabarta for weak-to-ice enemies). Sorcerer's Cane is among his weapons... and in areas where support is not immediately necessary, he uses a Red Merge. So his max technique boosts are:

Gifoie: 30% class boost (IIRC) + 20% Red Merge boost + 20% Sorcerer's Cane Gi-level boost = +70%
Gizonde: 30% class boost (IIRC) + 20% Sorcerer's Cane Gi-level boost = +50%

This combined with decent MST (I have yet to use all the mind mats I need on him) makes for good enough damage for him not to, as I've heard one person put it, "cancel like a mofo" in most cases.

But again, in areas like Ruins/CCA/Seabed I'll usually stick to Resta Merge and Striker of Chao (curse the lack of a male-FO-equippable resta boost weapon! >_<). I just don't go to those areas much yet because his defense really isn't good enough to take them on yet. I'm going to wait till I can put his Smoking Plate on before I seriously attempt to play these areas (I've been there before with him, just not often).

[jarl]

me too. this is a nasty combination:

summit moon (yay)
rafoie merge
FOnewearl

thats all but one of the spells i use covered with a nice boost (the only thing without is gizonde, but i can survive)

[Hrith]

"Only in difficult areas" seems to be the operative term, and in that sense I would agree; should I ever take my FOnewm to Ruins/CCA/Seabed, I'd definitely switch to the Resta merge, because there's no way I'd do much realistic tech damage anyway.

Male FOs should still try to wear one on any occasion.

You seem to be assuming that "all HU/RA" means the crowd that usually plays with you. Hey, I know, I've even seen a few of them in the last few days you still played GC. Whether or not you like people calling you a "god," people do tend to flock around you and the others. But this really isn't the large percentage of PSO players.

Not sure what you mean by people flocking around me, no one flocks around me any more than I do around others.

And not to sound haughty, but if your "this really isn't the large percentage of PSO players" includes n00bs and cheaters, no thanks.

And no offense to you, but levels aren't really important in debates. I could have five Level 200 characters and still be wrong about something.

Not about something that is directly related to experience, like what we are discussing now: usage of the Berserk special and the role of Forces in a multiplayer environment.
My levels are exactly what's important on these matters.

I'm glad you'd agree there's a difference. But what would you call a "bad" berserk user?

Someone that uses Berserk in really tough places (not necessarily Seabed, the last room of Ruins 1 in Endless Nightmare #4 is a 'no Berserk' room, for instance).
Someone that uses Berserk in a room with several Baranz/Morfos/Detonators, etc.
Someone that uses Berserk before the FO jellens.
Someone that uses Berserk if the FO is obviously too far to heal.
Someone that uses Berserk too much (i.e. more than me)
Someone that uses Berserk while relying on the FO's resta at 100%, however swift the FO must heal you, you must never give up your survival instincts and dodge or avoid any threat. That way, Berserk really increases your skill.
etc.

[whiteninja]

FOs not using Resta Merge (any FO, but only in difficult areas, or areas with huge rooms like Crater) are bad FOs.

I don't like the way you say you expect a FO to use a Resta Merge, or else you know that person is a bad FO. My Fonewearl uses a Red Merge, of course, I don't think I have ever used her in multiplayer... ever. But her Resta range is huge. Insanely huge, so "expecting" her to use a Resta Mege online is stupid. A Red Merge (I need a Red Barrier for that Rafoie Amp in my bank...) on her with her Psycho Wand definitely lets her pump out damage like the shizits with Rafoie. She doesn't even have to spam the tech. Seriously, she could destroy a room faster than any Beserker could. She doesn't need to worry about the HP drain either, because she has well over 1000 HP, and techs don't take too much HP with the Wand.

My Fomar, I could see his Resta range being a bit low... but... he melees. (*gasps!*)... He does so quite well too. He has all the best weapons with high hit%, and a nearly maxed ATP, lv 30 S/D/J/Z, nearly maxed ATA, and a MST that's decent enough so that he can use some techs. So he's always near to the fight anyway where the Beserkers would be, so having a Resta Merge on him would be silly too. The Attribute Wall is much better on him.

The Resta Merge is not a required item for a FO. If you don't want to play with FO's who don't use one, then fine. Maybe they wouldn't want to play with you either.

Someone that uses Berserk too much (i.e. more than me)

Of course... I saw that little "(...)" phrase coming from a mile away...

[NetNomad]

Not sure what you mean by people flocking around me, no one flocks around me any more than I do around others.

And not to sound haughty, but if your "this really isn't the large percentage of PSO players" includes n00bs and cheaters, no thanks.

Which just serves to illustrate my point... putting aside for a moment that there is no universal definition of "n00b," there are plenty of people everywhere in between... this is the case on GC now more than ever, and hopefully a good portion of BB as well (if not, then reasonsI'llNeverPlayBB++).

In short there are NOT only two groups of people on PSO: "gods and the people who agree with them" and "n00bs."

Not about something that is directly related to experience, like what we are discussing now: usage of the Berserk special and the role of Forces in a multiplayer environment.
My levels are exactly what's important on these matters.

A level means exactly one thing: how much exp you have. This is only directly related to how many enemies you kill (and dying in the case of BB)... not how you kill them, why you kill them that way or who you inconvenience by doing so. I may not have a lv200 character on GC and one frighteningly close on BB, but I still have spent a fair amount of time berserking. The concept of berserking is simple enough for a lv10 to get; what comes after that is all opinion on how you should use it.

And I've known people in the 190s and above who have been wrong on the hard facts, the gray areas, and everywhere in between. Experience points in this game <> being right on anything and everything related to it, particularly those issues relating to opinion (and play style is an opinion matter).

Someone that uses Berserk in really tough places (not necessarily Seabed, the last room of Ruins 1 in Endless Nightmare #4 is a 'no Berserk' room, for instance).
Someone that uses Berserk in a room with several Baranz/Morfos/Detonators, etc.
Someone that uses Berserk before the FO jellens.
Someone that uses Berserk if the FO is obviously too far to heal.
Someone that uses Berserk too much (i.e. more than me)
Someone that uses Berserk while relying on the FO's resta at 100%, however swift the FO must heal you, you must never give up your survival instincts and dodge or avoid any threat. That way, Berserk really increases your skill.
etc.

So how often do you end up having to dodge/avoid things with a "good" FO? Not often, if your HP is constantly being replenished. Even with a FO who doesn't practically mash the resta button, I find berserking to be too easy a practice if I were healed every time I did it.

You're right about every other one for sure... but I've seen, quite a few times, a person who breaks the "FO too far to heal" rule because he expects the FO to be right behind him at all times. Then the poor FO runs over there because he/she is generous and heals the guy, only to see him continue his otherwise-kamikazi attack pattern. Forces are support, but they aren't babysitters. If you play worst-case scenario stay be ready to heal yourself, you end up paying a lot more attention and thus gain more skill than if you just treated instant-FO-healing as the default scenario and actual "survival skills" as the backup plan.

[Sebastian]

i didnt read the really long posts becuz thats too much reading for me but, Not everything is going to be able to revolve around the berserk user/abuser. i.e. what if the fo even with a resta merge, gets knocked down by a monster while the berserk person is sitting there waiting for resta unknowing the fo is knocked down gets hit, and dies. the berserk abuser would probably blame that situation on the fo.. if youre a android you should have used a mate. and if you had no mates, why couldnt you drag youre ass to the shop when the last room was cleared. and a human/newman should have used their own resta.. Sonic team did not give the un-androids resta for you to not use it and blame the fo. My point is: Fos should not have to use resta merge and heal everyone to meet their expectations. if youre a android, its not the fo's responsibility to keep you alive. its everyone's responsibility to keep themselves alive. yes, fo's should use j/z s/d but only a dumb ass wouldnt do that becuz thats to their advantage also. And if you have resta, use it. I consider a fo's resta a "gift" kinda thing. They shouldnt have to resta you everytime any one of the three says so becuz then all they would do is resta. Fo's have tight situations too you know.